A bill has been passed to prevent no deal brexit

[StealthPolarBear]

I would have thought would have been the lead story on the bbc news, and in fact would have popped up on breaking news. I can't find it anywhere on there. In fact they're still reporting no deal will happen on Friday in the absence of anything else.
I am so confused, can anyone explain this to me?

Further delay. Mad flurry mid October with endless crap again. Another extension agreed for end of Jan 2020. May, who confirmed she wouldn't take this any further still in charge. Is anything anyone has said during this pile of crap actually accurate?

There is an early June deadline for something to be submitted to the EU but I forget the details now. The UK has a chance to leave so avoiding having to elect MEPs if it submits a plan soon.

I thought the elections were in May and we HAD to take part

I am forgetting the dates but the UK can announce it is definitely leaving so avoiding the EP elections I think but everything is so crazy I can't be bothered to look the full details up. Better things to do on a Sunday night!

So not taking part would rule out any option that led to no Brexit, revoke, another referendum?
But we don't know what we want until the very last minute!

If Parliament votes through the WA prior to the EU Elections we won't have to go though that farce - but looks like we are going to have to do that as the HoC have difficulty in understanding the actual people they govern.

At leat the Leave voters have an easy vote to make; and I really do think it's sad that Remain voters have to look around and take advice on who to vote for because They Didn't See This Coming.

Why haven't any of you figured this out and started a Remain Party?

That's helpful thank you. So we can't just dither on and make half decisions we later rescind.
I haven't started a remain party because I'm not a politician and I'd be rubbish.

Me too Stealth - I wouldn't even be a politician, who would want to be - it's a thankless job and being a mere human, there would be so many skeletons in the closet to make a bit of newsprint, I'd be taken down faster than you could say my 5 letter name.

It's only The Party that can protect any politician - and I don't adhere to any Party - so that's me done. Although I probably would make a good representation for my constituency, I couldn't sell myself like a prostitute like politicians have to.

Still, it's sad that no monied Remainers have stumped up and realized that if there was a Remain Party to vote for it would be near as damn it the same as a second referendum. That ship has sailed unfortunately.

I could see this coming ffs. We voted to Leave. Not a single Leave "champion" has come up with how we do it and meet our GFA obligations. Apart from TM but Leavers don't like her solution.
So we carry on as we were until we Leave. Which means EU elections. Not surprised in the slightest. Will vote for who ever is the most Remain-y. And wait for Leavers to come up with something. Absolutely not my job to come up with anything that satisfies Leavers. You work it out amongst yourselves.

{Why haven't any of you figured this out and started a Remain Party?}
Cameron said originally that the UK should remain, and if you look at the leaflet that was delivered to all houses in the UK it tells you so. Unfortunately it wasn't 'sexed up' enough (because in truth much of the legislation is pretty boring) but it is interesting to see the things that he did say were good for the UK are gradually being eroded and there is nothing coming from the 'Leave' camp to replace it. The significant financial 'crash' has and is happening, but the leaflet implied it would happen immediately. The effect is happening, but the timing was incorrect, or should have stated 'at the point of leaving' which as we know, the UK hasn't left yet.

Oh - the Cameron Govt Remain leaflet? Yes, I got that one - no leaflets from anyone else and I don't do SM so the Russians didn't influence my vote either.

GFA is covered by the WA 'backstop' until someting better can be put in place. My own opinion is that there should be an EU exception for NI/RoI based on Peace being paramount and also on the EU's regard for localism, further substantiated by the actual geography of the 2 countries.

But even prior to the Referendum the EU were looking to dismantle the pre-EU agreements between RoI and the UK so whilst I'm hardly surprised the EU is stating 'no exceptions' I don't think that stance is very helpful towards maintaining the Peace at all. Just my opinion.

GFA isn't a pre-EU agreement. I don't get your point.

I also agree that WA is the least worst version of Leave. But Leavers hate it.

Having the 'border' in the Irish sea is perfectly acceptable to most, it is principally the DUP who are saying No.
This is of course hypocritical as there are already checks for plants and animals, so it is only extending that to other goods which are 'stationary' on the ferry journey over (OK moving slowly but they could be inspected while on board), thus preserving the 'frictionless as possible'.

GFA isn't pre-EU, but there are pre-EU agreements in place that give UK/RoI nationals more rights than other EU Nationals have - a greater FOM and the EU felt this was unfair to other EU Nationals.

My own understanding of the GFA is that the USA played the greatest part in brokering the deal - after all the IRA did receive most of its funding via Noraid (USA based organisation). The EU were merely signatories to it.

And yes, the DUP are currently playing their hand to the fullest, but their stance is based on 'fear', and I will give them the fact that they do have a real fear of what might happen otherwise, it's more than a descriptive such as Project Fear, but something real to be fearful of.

Given the whole of the situation, I do think that there are certain exceptions that should be made by the EU in this circumstance and just saying NO, Non, Nien or Nyet is the equivalent of clutching at straws to prove a point and make things as difficult for the UK to negotiate their departure.

It would be so much easier for the EU to say ok, as far as NI is concerned, that is between the RoI and UK and we will leave you to negotiate that but we will grind your nuts on everything else.

To do otherwise is not in keeping with the EU preserving Peace throughout Europe.

{I also agree that WA is the least worst version of Leave. But Leavers hate it.}
The WA is a structured legally enforceable document that has a pathway to leave as it's main function. The EU negotiators estimated it would take around 2 years to work through all the issues and put in place new arrangements, although I think they now say that would be tight so offered a longer transition.
Leavers don't like it because there is no cake, but they also don't understand the sheer complexity of what needs to be undone and then renegotiated. David Davis and chums didn't do their homework which led to the EU writing most of it. By having a transition period nothing 'catastrophic' should happen as most, if not all situations have a fallback until the final day of transition. Crash out and anything can and probably will happen as so many activities are interrelated. Even a 'crash out' would actually take a good 6 months and it is for this reason that the EU have generously offered a 'safety net' so that food and medicines don't have to be a panic, although as part of this generosity they can withdraw at any moment if/when the UK starts taking the piss.

"The EU were merely signatories to it."

The whole thing works because we are both in the EU. It's a bit more than "mere".

Tbe Common Travel Area is a pre-EU thing but membership of the EU, such as FOM gives similar benefits.

LeClerc at least try and stick to what you yourself think rather than assume what you think others think - I'm a Leave voter and I support the WA. I'm not the only one that that thinks that way either. Not only is it tiresome but borderline offensive that you would thrust everyone that voted Leave into some homogeneous group that all thinks the same way - racist, xenophobic, ignorant, ill-read people also apparently with trust funds and educated at Eton. Remain voters obviously aren't the same either.

Bellini - does the whole thing (GFA) work because of the EU? No it does not and the GFA would have been brokered if the EU were there or not. It isn't and never has been an EU problem, but our problem - the UK and the RoI's problem.

The agreements between the RoI and UK even predate the CTA. Actually the fact that the EU wanted to dismantle them is one of the reasons that I voted to Leave.

I also recall that one of the few politicians that highlighted that the GFA would be a problem prior to the Referendum was TM, so I'm giving that girl a lot of credit. Just my opinion.

I think you'll find the open border allowing the magic trick of the GFA is because we are members of the EU. You can pretend there's no actual border and it's more or less one country if you want to believe that.
There is absolutely no way they could've created the same effect without it.

Bellini that is not how I think. The GFA is not a 'magic trick' but one of the most brilliant things to happen since the Berlin Wall came down. I'm not sure how many Noraid Bars/Pubs they had in St Petersburg but there were plenty coast to coast in the USA, more on the East Coast.

Do you remember when they removed all the litter bins from all BR Stations because the threat of planting a bomb in one was very real indeed. If you don't mind maybe we can agree to disagree at this point?

HateIsNotGood
Well if you really want to know, and since you asked, I think leavers are a bunch of nasty, ignorant often lying shits, but in a variety of flavours, for what they are doing to the UK. Some more than others obviously.
Happy now?

At least the beast has finally shown it's very narrow view of people and goodness knows what else - you are indeed having a bad day LeClerc - maybe you can google some more shite and post some links to substantiate that?

Go read a book, or look at the sky, or meet some people you wouldn't dream of talking to and broaden your scope - or maybe stay in your little bubble and spout your continual vituperous shit because you feelz, yes feelz, your life has been fucked up by others.

Because you have no one else for feeling bad about things other than yourself. Taking me dog for a walk and yes I'm happy now.

I call is a magic trick in a positive way. I think it's brilliant. And fragile. And not to be fucked with by people who clearly haven't given it a second thought and think that Ireland can be disregarded and the EU us inventing the problem Brexit gives it.
I'm old. I fucking remember the sodding Noraid shit. And there being no bins. And all the truly horrible shit onthe ground in NI. And I never want to go back to that. And any fucker who thinks it can be easily sorted is just that, a fucker.

And what the fuck does St Petersburg have to do with it For Fucks Sake.

Strangely I have friends I visit all around the world so maybe my 'bubble' is a bit larger than yours and I do in fact talk to all manner of people.
Even more strange is that none of them think that Brexit is a good idea.

Bellini - you see there is always something to agree on - and that is how things can get sorted. So fragile, so important, so brilliant that the GFA is, it shouldn't be used as an hostage as to why we can't leave the EU.

Dog is looking at me - and I send you my best wishes and high regards, I'm sure we can get through this.