Westminstenders: The Bill Cash Appreciation Society

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We've had a new thread pretty much everyday for the last week or so, so I'm short on inspiration.

There haven't been too many new developments today. There have been two ministerial resignations. Both were ministers close to Boris Johnson.

We had a vote to add an extension if we still have no deal agreed at the end of next week to the Withdrawal Bill. May has said she will do this anyway; this would merely tie her hands. It passed by 5 votes. It now is fast tracked to the committee stage and third reading.

A business of the house amendment by Benn to secure a debate and Indicative Vote 3 next week failed after a speakers vote. Bercow followed convention and didn't create a majority where there was not one (though under Erskine May he is free to do the opposite at his discretion).

Corbyn has met May for talks which have been described as construction, though we have no further details though curiously Emily Thornberry put out a statement demanding a ref on whatever was decided which suggests Corbyn isn't keen on the idea. Rumours are of Schrodingers Customs Union: somehow being in a union but not a union. It can't be called a customs union. And Liam Fox has said Corbyn can't have his union. Though he may have a vested interest as he loses his job if Corbyn gets his way.

Oh and the Commons photocopier broke so no one knows what is currently supposed to be happening.

Otherwise it's been a quiet day, all things considered. Too quiet?

A Quiz for you Westminstenders!

Who said which quote, Mark Francois or Peter Griffin.

1. "I have an idea so smart that my head would explode if I even began to know what I was talking about."

2. "Forgive Them Father For They Know Not What They Do"

3. "This party couldn't be better if Jesus was here."

4. "I can be just as non-competitive as anybody. Matter of fact, I'm the most non-competitive. So I win."

5. “Some people may call me quirky but I think insane is a little strong.”

6. "I guess we've learned that no matter who you are or where you come from, life is a terrible thing."

7. "Now I may be an idiot, but there's one thing I am not sir, and that sir, is an idiot."

8. "There is a difference between a majority of 1.4 million and one."

9. "He never submitted to bullying by any German and neither will his son".

10. "Any problem caused by a tank can be solved by a tank."

Answers in an hour.

woman I'd be very uncertain too about the result of a PV,
since afaik there have been no effective measures brought in to stop far right oligarchs using psyops or smuggling in dirty money again

That's why for me PV is not an essential point of any deal that May & Corbyn might come to - if they do ! -
but I don't see the danger in a PV of Revoke vs that deal

imo the 6 million who signed the petition and the 1-1.5 million who marched deserve a PV, so long as it's not a deal-breaker

woman19 those that want no deal which are a significant number of the electorate whether we like it or not could also argue that the world is watching them being ignored and disenfranchised.

Well I contend that the tick tock tick tock no deal no deal was mocking in its context.
I don’t believe that was courteous.

And Sos said at the time she was feeling vindictive.
I realise that given the circiumstances we are all getting tense and showing it in different ways , myself included. That does not excuse unacceptable behaviour.

Sos wanted a public answer. I gave it on here as she requested. I am not going to discuss it further on here. Sos can read my reply on here and respond to me if she wishes , privately or otherwise.
I have no wish to derail the thread with this. I would rather discuss the main issue, not a petty squabble. Which is why I messaged in the first place.

www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/alexwickham/may-corbyn-scotland-wales-northern-ireland?__twitter_impression=true
Theresa May And Jeremy Corbyn Could Give Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland A Veto On Future Changes To A Brexit Deal
The plan would place a significant hurdle on a Brexit-supporting future prime minister to rip up a customs union deal.

Susan He's gorgeous (and he looks after his poorly mum)

By sheer coincidence this posted immediately below a post where Susan talked about David Cameron. Gave me a very moment thinking that something very disturbing had happened to woman, who now appeared very enamoured of DC! Scrolled back and found I had missed your earlier exchange about Alex Andreou. Quite relieved

babooshka Me too !
At least Sos's Bercow crush was understandable and didn't make me want to 🤮

You can only see how many people quite the Lisbon treaty lies to see that people simply chose what they want to believe - and truth doesn’t come in to it.

Until the Express, Mail, Telegraph and Sun stop being platforms of hate against the EU then no matter what happens the problem isn’t going away.

PMK. Totally missed the last thread

Do you know until this debacle I used to despise Thatcher.

However the ideology that the ref has exposed makes me now think her meritocratic ~grocer's girl ~makes ~it wasn't as bad as I thought it was at the time. I still don't agree with her reign, but the ideology of the ERG that we are facing now is worse.

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By the way the Colin who is trying to push for an enquiry into the ref is Colin Talbot I think - a political scientist. He was a professor at Manchester university and a Research Associate at Cambridge. Interestingly has also been an adviser to Parliamentary committees including the Treasury.

I just wish his petition didn’t say "foreign actors" as it makes you think Brad Pitt or some-one interfered in the ref.

e.g. selling off the council homes to bribe new Tory voters, is a big part of the horrendous housing problem that causes misery for so many people

Only because the councils could not then use that money to build more houses. Something Labour could have reversed without breaking stride in 1997. Except by them they were balls-deep in property developers who need a housing crisis to profit from.

Want to solve a housing crisis ? Build houses. And this is reversible logic. If you're not building houses, you don't want to solve the crisis. Maybe Mark Francois struggles with basic logic, but no reason the electorate should be so thick.

If I understand it correctly the House of Lords is now debating yesterday's Cooper bill. Baroness Hayter has just moved a motion.

www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/3f8960d1-c522-4f7c-9b50-e054516b170a

I might have been single for a very long time, but I am happily not that desperate. 😂

Thought this article about Brexit and our Mental Health sums up a lot of what has been said on here. I was on anti-anxiety meds and know 6 other people who have been put onto meds since the referendum, all of whom say it has played a large part in their MH issues

Encouraging report, red

• The other 3 nations having a veto on ripping up the CU would be a big hurdle for a future ERG PM

Of course, that veto would need to be put into the PD as a binding part of an international treaty, to stop a future HoC repealing a merely UK law

Should be possible to make it binding, since it is fully definable now, unlike a future trade deal

Giving each UK nation a veto in future raises the question why it wasn't done in for the referendum ?

Would it being a great disincentive to independence in future ?

@lonelyplanetmum I'm married to a Colin and my boss is one too. Has led to amusing confusion.

Maybe your DH or your boss are my first love. Although I doubt it as he never married and rarely worked!

Anyway the other Colin's petition is just about to hit 10,000!

{I've read she plans to move the Order in Council on 11 April for EP elections, i.e. after the EU Council meet}

Sorry it is a bit late commenting, but this is part of what has been wrong all along, a deliberate policy for being 'late' for everything, ever since the referendum. If you want a deal, you turn up with the right papers on time, not hours or days late with only half a plan. Downright disrespectful apart from anything.

babooshka no! I meant the lovely Alex Andreou although I worried that I'd phrased it wrongly, so deleted the post.
love the Francois quiz red
Can we have one on Bill Cash's stream of consciousness/ filibustering next?

Getting mildly concerned about some of you getting 'flustered' by politicians.
If I ever get around to whispering sweet nothings again, it certainly won't be about politics!

DGR I agree with you on Council housing. My Grandparents could have bought their council house several times over because of rent increases due to 70s inflation. My parents otoh had the benefit of inflation eroding their mortgage to next to nothing. In that context Right to Buy was a pro working class policy (but only if you then build houses to replace those sold).

House prices were stagnant throughout the 90s under the Tories. It was TB's Labour who broke the market with lax monetary policy /regulation (mortgage rates below savings rates were the norm and make no sense in a well regulated market) and under building.

In Scotland the SNP have already stopped Right to Buy and are building at rates far in excess of rUK despite not having had population growth. Unsurprisingly prices are roughly at 2008 levels and much more affordable.

Just read red comment on Buzzfeed article. Genius strategy from Labour as their Red Lines would now be those of the Devolved administrations (harder to satisfy than Keir's tests and PV put together) who then get the blame when there is a failure to reach a "compromise".