What is going to happen now?

[pontypridd]

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Might seem a silly question to many, but can Theresa May/Conservatives make the final decision without a final vote in Parliament?

I think she has the power to revoke Art 50 as it was set out in the legislation

Other than that no

Just saw this on Facebook and thought it was worth a share.

I think she has the power to revoke Art 50 as it was set out in the legislation
Other than that no

I heard on the radio that she has the power to just announce that we are leaving the EU without a deal - with immediate effect - as the 29th March has already passed - (that power might be taken away from her during tomorrow's proceedings) - but she was unlikely to actually follow through on this as she's still hopeful for a variation of her WA.

That picture is interesting as it shows that Labour in theory want a Brexit with the Common Market/Customs Union and a 2nd Referendum

What however do the COnservatives want?

Theresa May is clear desperate as she's wanting to work with Labour - she wouldn't do that if she thought she had any chance of getting through the deal she wants.

Actually - TM's decoupled WA (her 3rd 'meaningful vote') received the highest number of votes overall - 286 - the proposals in the picture received 280, 273, 261 and 191 votes. However, more MPs abstained from voting last night - so it looks as though TM's vote had less support - when in fact it didn't.

Clavinova - even you must know that Mays 3 failed votes and indicative votes aren't remotely the same thing? this tragic saga is being played out like Love fuckin Island.

As for Norway +/CM 2.0, find me any european leaders or indeed any leader (outside of Trump/Putin) who think Brexit of any kind is great idea.

(that power might be taken away from her during tomorrow's proceedings)

What's happening tomorrow night?

jasjas1973
Clavinova - even you must know that Mays 3 failed votes and indicative votes aren't remotely the same thing?

Why don't you explain it to me?

I think MV 2.5 was the best May's vote will do tbh as there have been several MPs expressing regret for voting for it (probably under pressure from constituency parties).

"Why don't you explain it to me? "

Seriously? And you claim expertise.

MV is binding. Indicative votes aren't.

Clavinova Have you managed to find this long list of world leaders who think brexit is an amazing step forward ?

Especially as you were so keen to quote the Norwegian PM with his negative views on the UK and Efta.

Exactly Belli :)

No idea how long the extension will be and whether we will have another referendum.
But I think the end result of it all will be basically staying in the EU (BRINO) but with no freedom of movement.
Obviously we will still have plenty of immigration from people all over the world but Europeans won't have an automatic right to come.
Theresa May is a very poor communicator but I do think she has a grasp of what the majority voted for.
If that's not what people want then we will have to remain.
Either way, I hope it can be wrapped up sooner rather than later because we need to stop all the rancour and start co-operating on all the detailed stuff which will go on forever - as it should.

They are all going their own way, ignoring the petition signed by millions to revoke article 50, the petition asking for a second referendum even tho it got a large no of votes in the Commons.They need help but they won’t admit it.

Especially as you were so keen to quote the Norwegian PM with his negative views on the UK and Efta.^

The Norwegian Prime Minister is a woman (yes, I know - a blond version of Angela Merkel)

Her point is, 'Why bother to leave the EU at all - if you sign up to an agreement like ours?'

bellinisurge
MV is binding.Indicative votes aren't.

Yes, I know that indicative votes are not legally binding - you obviously didn't detect the irony in my post - the smiley face was too subtle for you.

In fact, the point I made was also raised in the House of Commons - after the indicative votes reached an impasse - it was one suggestion of how to move forward...I didn't appreciate the comment at the time. I don't feel embarrassed raising the same point as a front bench MP.

From the Institute for Government:

There have also been concerns that the indicative votes on Brexit have confused matters of process (such as whether to hold a second referendum) and matters of substance on both the Withdrawal Agreement (such as whether to attempt to amend the backstop) and the Political Declaration (such as whether to seek a more specific commitment to a customs union or single market 2.0).There is a risk that these different options mean MPs are arguing at cross-purposes about a number of discreet issues.

Clavinova - YES, that quote from the IoG is spot on. I get the feeling that there is a tremendous amount of confusion among MPs on this, and it is most definitely confused in the public mind.

I think much depends here on the faith with which May is entering negotiations with Corbyn. I.e. is this just a PR stunt to try to spread the blame outside of the Tory party as a prelude to an intention to announce 'no deal', or is it a realistic attempt to find a compromise under which the WA could pass with an amended PD?

Interesting commentary from Yanis Varoufakis here: www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2019-03-26/jeremy-corbyn-s-brexit-stance-is-sensible-varoufakis-says-video