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What is going to happen now?

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pontypridd · 01/04/2019 22:28

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BaconMushroomAndScrambledEggs · 02/04/2019 01:08

Not true Mayhem, my Tory MP either voted against, or abstained from all the votes.

AlexaShutUp · 02/04/2019 01:15

That's labour objecting to everything in the hope there will be a General Election.

Erm, no it isn't. Labour whipped its MPs to vote in favour of three out of the four options. There were a few rebels, but most of the Labour MPs obeyed the whip.

madroid · 02/04/2019 01:18

Bit weak to try to make it about the labour party when the whole thing is a result of the Tory party spliy insisting on a referendum.

I think a GE would be the most sensible course now but then again unless there's a party standing for leaving there would be no proper choice for people to vote for.

Hopefully no deal won't be as bad as many people think. It's recessionary pressure will be gradual and I hope counteracted by new business developed with new trading partners outside the EU. The EU is also already in recession so we should do better than we otherwise would have if we remained.

MayhemNowCertain · 02/04/2019 01:32

Tory party spliy insisting on a referendum

Cameron is a wealthy man. Obviously he did not realize that those less fortunate would vote leave as they fell as though they have been abandoned.

Was the leave vote to actually leave or was it the poorer making themselves heard?

Glitterban · 02/04/2019 01:45

GE, what if no govt / another coalition?

Agree with earlier post to preference vote not yes no votes. Bet there still wouldn't be a clear steer of action. Custom unions or not? Free movement of people or not? What does Britain want, really really want?

Dragons it is...

Marcipex · 02/04/2019 01:46

I'm petrified. I won't last long without my meds. My dr won't let me stockpile them and says 'god help us all.'

MadameAnchou · 02/04/2019 01:53

A tenner says crash with no deal.

MadameAnchou · 02/04/2019 01:53

GE? You're out of time!

MadameAnchou · 02/04/2019 01:55

Cameron is a wealthy man. Obviously he did not realize that those less fortunate would vote leave as they fell as though they have been abandoned.

He might have, probably not, but even so, why would he care?

Alicewond · 02/04/2019 01:56

I’m going with arm wresting and bare knuckle fighting being the next choices

MadameAnchou · 02/04/2019 01:58

I hope they're all enjoying their jolly brinkmanship games

That they'll lose because brinkmanship only works when the players are evenly matched. Not so here.

MayhemNowCertain · 02/04/2019 05:29

He might have, probably not, but even so, why would he care?

He does not care as does not need to. Wealthy MP's will never see the World in the same way as the average person in the street as they will never experience the same worries.

Ask an MP's how they have to pay in; council tax, utilities, weekly shop, etc., they probably don't know as paid by direct debits and there is always enough coming in per month to cover all without even noticing?

grumpyyetgorgeous · 02/04/2019 07:26

That's labour objecting to everything in the hope there will be a General Election.

No it isn't!! Labour whipped in favour of Norway plus and a permanent customs union Confused

grumpyyetgorgeous that's fucking genius, I hereby elect you emergency speaker

Thank you, I am practising my acceptance speech right now Grin

havingtochangeusernameagain · 02/04/2019 07:28

I'm so angry. Why couldn't they just do the decent thing and compromise around one of the soft options. It's just so irresponsible. Ridiculous. And we are all vulnerable to a no deal thanks to this pathetic posturing

Exactly. This is more or less what Nick Boles said wasn't it. "I tried to come up with a solution but my own party won;t compromise so you can all sod off".

Fair comment I think.

havingtochangeusernameagain · 02/04/2019 07:30

The soft options are seen as remaining in the EU. Conservatives know they will not be elected again if Brexit does not happen

By a few people. I don't think most people have a view one way or another.

And of course a catastrophic no deal Brexit is going to be so much better for their election chances (mind you, given how nasty some Tory party policies are, maybe a no deal Brexit where people die from lack of medicines will be exactly what their supporters want).

grumpyyetgorgeous · 02/04/2019 07:56

*Exactly. This is more or less what Nick Boles said wasn't it. "I tried to come up with a solution but my own party won;t compromise so you can all sod off".

Fair comment I think.*

Yes it was and I felt a bit sorry for him.

MayhemNowCertain · 02/04/2019 07:58

No it isn't!! Labour whipped in favour of Norway plus and a permanent customs union

But Conservatives never put forward either of those suggestions as not a Brexit

Quartz2208 · 02/04/2019 08:02

Labour were fine for the most part they toed the party line

This is all on the Tories

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 02/04/2019 08:10

This is all on the Tories

I agree

The whole thing...

MayhemNowCertain · 02/04/2019 08:19

And of course a catastrophic no deal Brexit is going to be so much better for their election chances

No deal might be seen by many as the only true Brexit. If it happens they may be a surge in national pride and feel good factor. If there is a general election before any of the downsides of a no deal have become apparent I think Conservatives would do well.

Falklands War ended 14 June 1982. Thousands turned out in London to sing rule Britannia. General election was a year later on 9 June 1983 and Thatcher won by 143 votes. Was it because people thought Thatcher was the best or were they still rejoicing that UK had been successful in the Falklands war?

Would they have voted for Thatcher had they known about the de-industrialization of the UK was going to follow later?

Glitterban · 02/04/2019 08:29

This mess started with david cameron and worsened by self serving politicians

Anyway Thatcher. Is it really that bad to evolve from industrial to a services led economy? For some public services to be privatised and be funded, rather than rationing or heading towards Venezuelas model better

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 02/04/2019 08:33

Iv tried googling but I'm rubbish at it

The lib dems offered an in/out vote on the referendum in their manifesto 2010 (only under certain conditions which as yet i dont think have been met)

Has anyone got a link to the conservative manifesto at the same time...did they do the same?

havingtochangeusernameagain · 02/04/2019 08:46

Gosh there's a massive difference between winning the Falklands war and leaving the EU without transition arrangements.

Feel good factor?

Singing Rule Britannia?

Roll on Scottish independence and I'm moving there, if they'll have me.

If the CTA remains in place, I might move to Ireland, if they'll have me.

Or claim asylum in Germany, they seem happy enough to have other economic migrants.

Tanith · 02/04/2019 08:54

“But Conservatives never put forward either of those suggestions as not a Brexit”

Kenneth Clarke and Nick Boles (until last night) are both Conservatives Confused

Clavinova · 02/04/2019 09:27

This is more or less what Nick Boles said wasn't it."I tried to come up with a solution but my own party won't compromise so you can all sod off".
Fair comment I think.
Yes it was and I felt a bit sorry for him.

I felt a bit sorry for him because he seemed quite emotional when he stood up to resign - one of his colleagues tried to call him back.

However, why should MPs opt for his Common Market 2.0 (Norway Plus) proposal when even the Norwegian Prime Minister thinks it's a bad idea to have a deal similar to their one?

Norwegian PM to UK:Why would you want our EU deal?

www.politico.eu/article/norwegian-pm-uk-cannot-cherry-pick-eu-membership/