Westminstenders: Arse about Face

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Everything about Brexit seems to have been done wrongly.

Setting red lines to rule out a compromise

The attempt to use executive power to trigger A50, that resulted in a court case

Triggering A50 before knowing what the UK wanted

Agreeing to the backstop before any Tory MP understood the GFA

Appointing a Brexit minister before checking he understood where Dover was.

May going on about NI and pissing off the DUP before they were just about to climb down.

Having a Meaningless Vote repeatedly with a gun to head.

Contempt of Parliament and just general fucking up.

Tonight, 3 days before we were due to leave the HoC finally sat down to decide what Brexit outcomes they thought would be a good idea - more than 2years after that should have happened.

And we now we are told the meaningful vote might be may even more meaningless by being wrapped up in the illusive Withdrawal Agreement Implimentation Bill.

Farce doesn't even cover it.

Anyway Indicative Vote results incoming in approx 15 mins.

The SNP has been getting an increase in its membership as a result of the deadlock in WM.

A friend posted this last night

For my friends who are utterly scunnered and disgusted with the corruption in Westminster can I suggest you do this - join the SNP. You don't have to agree with everything they do. I certainly don't. But giving their membership a boost at this troubled time does send a message.

For friends in England, you can join too. You won't be able to vote for a candidate in an election but by boosting SNP membership numbers you'll be hastening change in the UK. Independence for Scotland and the breakup of the UK might not be what you really want, but this might conversely be the saving of England. Change, on a scale as yet unimagined, would have to happen

Currently SNP membership is approx 125,000.

He's already had a few friends, who were previously LibDem and Labour voters but who have never joined a party, saying that they've now joined.

Also puts UKIP and Brexit Party membership(s) into perspective

Labour slap down Theresa May’s desperate plan to get her deal through

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-labour-slap-down-theresa-14198539

Jared O Mara really is a useless piece of shit, isn't he?

I'm strangely pleased that, just now, when I was trying to message my ds about his kettle my phone tried to autocorrect to Keir.

@ChrisLeslieMP
Next round of votes is on Monday. It’s obvious that #PeoplesVote is the route through to solution now. So much hangs on @jeremycorbyn getting his own closest allies to support this. Please email these Shadow Cabinet to support #PeoplesVote ➡️ @jon_trickett @IanLaveryMP* @GwynneMP*

I’m happy to continue my correspondence with Andrew Gwynne, he’s my MP. Particularly since he abstained on PV yesterday. The problem is that I know what he’ll say - his constituency voted to leave (61%), so he feels bound to honour that. Could someone please help with an explanation of the delegate vs representative thing, to include on my message? I think that’s the key.

The EU has sussed out the real danger:

Charles Grant
(@CER_Grant)
There is a real fear that May will be replaced by a Leaver of the Boris Johnson variety, who could provoke a no deal situation by testing the EU's patience, or mess up the negotiation of the future relationship. /4

Definitely write to Andrew Gwynne again as he seems to be responding positively to PV.

Just say that we didn't have all the information three years ago (which we didn't) & you are concerned about the impact of a bad Brexit on the economy, especially the impacts on the poor. Ask him to support a PV on the final option and that any campaign lies should be squished & investigated.

There is a real fear that May will be replaced by a Leaver of the Boris Johnson variety, who could provoke a no deal situation by testing the EU's patience, or mess up the negotiation of the future relationship

Suggesting May isn't ???

Good point. I think it's a case of better the devil you know...

There is a real fear that May will be replaced by a Leaver of the Boris Johnson variety
This.
They will be perfectly sanguine about reneging on any WA and PD passed.

I would trust Labour in power, including under Corbyn if necessary, if / after WA/PD had passed.

I suspect the EU would trust them more too.

Pepvixen agree with your comments about Ian Dunt. He's a pragmatic and informed source.

No idea who these 'hard remainers' are who are guilty of enabling current mess.

Most actual activists, working hard on this would take Norway in a flash, and probably would have from June 24th 2016.

That Norway ship appears to have sailed too.

It comes to something when May isn't the worst option going, by some way!

If only Labour had ditched Corbyn already, a vote of no confidence would be worth investigating, but no point at all given the woeful lack of credible opposition.

If only Labour had ditched Corbyn already
In 'populist' times in a country powerless to fight it, populist leaders are the only ones people hear.

Just sent a humdinger of an email to my MP!

Maybe May knows the WA on it's own won't get a majority tomorrow but could it get more votes than the custom union and PV options from yesterday ?? If it does, she could say her way forward is the most popular before the indicative votes on Monday.

In 'populist' times in a country powerless to fight it, populist leaders are the only ones people hear.

Corbyn has nothing helpful to say in this time of political crisis.

If the "overwhelming sentiment" of the House of Commons is for something softer than May's Deal (and I don't dispute that) then why the hell couldn't they organise themselves to vote for the "something softer" last night?! They had about 4 options, Clarke, Labour Plan, Common Mkt 2.0 and EEA/EFTA and rejected all of them, albeit the Ken Clarke plan only v. narrowly.

Just got this email sent from petition site

It remains the Government’s firm policy not to revoke Article 50. We will honour the outcome of the 2016 referendum and work to deliver an exit which benefits everyone, whether they voted to Leave or to Remain.

Revoking Article 50, and thereby remaining in the European Union, would undermine both our democracy and the trust that millions of voters have placed in Government.

The Government acknowledges the considerable number of people who have signed this petition. However, close to three quarters of the electorate took part in the 2016 referendum, trusting that the result would be respected. This Government wrote to every household prior to the referendum, promising that the outcome of the referendum would be implemented. 17.4 million people then voted to leave the European Union, providing the biggest democratic mandate for any course of action ever directed at UK Government.

British people cast their votes once again in the 2017 General Election where over 80% of those who voted, voted for parties, including the Opposition, who committed in their manifestos to upholding the result of the referendum.

This Government stands by this commitment.

Revoking Article 50 would break the promises made by Government to the British people, disrespect the clear instruction from a democratic vote, and in turn, reduce confidence in our democracy. As the Prime Minister has said, failing to deliver Brexit would cause “potentially irreparable damage to public trust”, and it is imperative that people can trust their Government to respect their votes and deliver the best outcome for them.

Maybe May knows the WA on it's own won't get a majority tomorrow but could it get more votes than the custom union and PV options from yesterday ?? If it does, she could say her way forward is the most popular before the indicative votes on Monday.

I have pondered if she's going to try and claim that even though it hasn't actually passed by winning a majority, she will try and pull a stunt claiming that "well it had more votes than anything else, so technically it's passed" and move on that way.

I am being deadly serious here. Apart from "convention" how else is a "win" in the House of Commons actually decided ? I look forward to being told I'm being ridiculous, but then again .....

A PD would have political force, but legally any PD can be ignored by any future PM & HoC
There's not even any way to force a PM to negotiate in good faith

Transition negotiations after Brexit for a new trade deal would take years, so we could have a new HoC, not just a new PM.

So any Brexit is a blind Brexit imo

• it's scary !

I hope WA gets voted down big time! ( but it won't )

There is no good version of it.

Isn’t this a bit like asking people to sign a blank cheque?!

Really scary bigchoc even Kier Starmer is shocked by that and latest tactic by TM