Westminstenders: Pragmatism versus Purity

[RedToothBrush]

There is one question for the HoC in the next week and that's will you persue pragmatism or purity?

May looks as if she is being sidelined after a backbench withdrawal of support, the DUPs withdrawal of support and an omminous silence eminenating from the Cabinet.

Her speech on Thursday where she pitted the people against parliament has been her last mistake. She's now a danger to the country's stability and the safety of MPs.

The priority for the week is to pass the SI to change the UK exit date from 29th March to the EU's new terms.

After that, with May's deal stuffed due to lack of support and a Bercow ruling it looks like we are facing some sort of indicative free vote. This seems to be being supported by ministers in government regardless of leave or remain.

The prospect of a Tory Leader Election contest looms. It remains to seen if that can happen in the next three weeks with so much else at stake. But this is the Tory party.

The penny seems to be finally dropping about the reality of leaving the EU and how we leave the EU. A week before we were due to go. The incompetence of Parliament is laid bare in all its glorious full scale.

Thanks red and marchers!

So many people twitter.com/peoplesvote_uk/status/1109440829981114374

^^ May agreeing to the extension stops Brexit itself at least until 12 April

BUT

The ECA (European Communities Act) 1972,
which is scheduled to be repealed on 29 March,
makes all EU law binding.

What happens if EU law is no longer binding ?
What law - if any - applies to trade, agencies etc ? WTO ?
e.g. Would they let our trucks through at Calais ?

If the date were not changed, I can't imagine the total chaos that would descend,
Worse than No Deal, since it won't have been prepped for ?

Or would everyone ignore it like a VERY bad Uk fart in the EU lift ?

Presumably it would be corrected VERY soon though !

Because of the biscuit-sized / shaped box, @QueenofThorns?

The legal status doesn't fit with the supermarkets' shelf-filling requirements!

As the Labour (?) MEP said yesterday on Sky News: saying that we voted on 23 June 2016 (leaving aside it was an advisory referendum that was influenced in such an illegal way that if it had been statutory it would have been annulled as confirmed by the High Court ) and that's that is the antithesis of democracy, not a demonstration of the "largest exercise in democracy with country has ever seen" (ignoring that 50% of the GEs in the last 100 years had higher percentages of the electorate voting and that it is only in the last 20 years that percentages of those voting have dropped consistently to under 70% an indictment of our 2 part system imho ).

Essentially the Government and those opposed to a PV are saying: we let you vote once but we're never going to let you vote again, even though you now have some more facts

DG The EU gave us an extension, but it is quite likely our MPs will fuck it up.

I still rate No Deal as the most likely eventual outcome

Cheer me up, please, that you are more optimistic ? 🙏

Thank you red.
Fuckk off to all pop ups and Piers Morgan.
And if those on Farage's march and the lorry.driver's blockade are.an.example of those who will uprise.if they don't get their.own way then I'm really, really scared.

wood 💐 Those loony buggers are only a tiny number and they can't organise the proverbial celebration in a brewery

Meanwhile other mumsneters worry about having hair removed from their anus.

Alex Wickham @alexwickham
💥NEW: Cabinet plots to oust Theresa May next week

💥In the last 48 hours cabinet ministers have discussed jointly telling her she has to resign

💥One cabinet minister warned the PM has “days” left in No10

💥Other ministers threaten mass walkout

How Theresa May lost her whips office in "Murder on the Orient Express" showdown

Whip Paul Maynard said “this is one of the hardest things I’ve ever had to do” as he told her to set a departure date in the Sunday papers

May: “Thank you for your honesty”

Warring No10 deeply split on what to do

💣One close adviser says May will go for no-deal (that is being treated with extreme suspicion)

💣Other May allies threatening an election

💣Top No10 aide claims they can delay Brexit again without passing an SI

Gavin Barwell’s offer to neutralise plotters:

- Internal Tory party talks to set Brexit policy for next stage
- “Independent” Brexit department free from No10 control
- One source says Michael Gove lined up as new Brexit secretary
- But May stays as PM

The full extraordinary "Murder on the Orient Express" showdown between Theresa May and her whips office:
www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/alexwickham/cabinet-ministers-are-plotting-to-oust-theresa-may-as-her?__twitter_impression=true
Cabinet Ministers Are Plotting To Oust Theresa May As Even Her Fed Up Whips Say Her Brexit Deal Is Doomed
BuzzFeed News can reveal explosive details of an extraordinary showdown between the prime minister and her whips office. “It was like the Murder on the Orient Express.”

Found you!

Robert Mueller recommends no new criminal charges as he ends Russia probe into Donald Trump

Looks like that Justice Dept plane won't come back
We need our own investigation into our own dirty linen - no point in expecting distant cousins to do that for us.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/03/22/robert-mueller-delivers-report-whether-donald-trumps-campaign/?

Robert Mueller, the special counsel, has finished his report into whether Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign colluded with Russia.

A US justice department official said Mr Mueller, in his report, had not recommended any further criminal charges.

That buzzfeed article is very interesting. But who will lead the party? I can't see any candidate who could unite the party now. Not that I care.

Pragmatic placemark

Exciting there , red !

My concern is that the most furious - and powerful - critics of May in her party are the hard Brexiters
I wish she'd be replaced by Grieve, but that won't happen
Liddington would be a good compromise, maybe possible ?

Still, even < wet tentacles slapping > Gove could be better atm, as he has a brain which he appears to have started using

But please, not Boris or JRM or Leadsom 🤮
I don't want to flush my UK passport down the loo until I have another one

Pmk

If she goes it is a huge concern as to who replaces her

Telegraph still on the "they'll blink at the last moment"

As Brexit goes down to the wire, the EU are finally starting to blink ❌

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/03/22/brexit-goes-wire-eu-finally-starting-blink/?

Forget what the Remainers might have you believe

The one person we can be guaranteed won't be the new leader is JRM

He's too happy sniping from the snidelines and not having to take any personal responsibility for the clusterfuck unfolding and would never put himself forward.

be thankful for very small mercies

I fear that even if we don't actually have No Deal,
that Brexiters will forever claim we could have had a unicorn if the UK had just held out long enough
but treacherous Remainers etc ....

Well march looks spectacular. Cheers to all who are there! I've done my bit this morning got 8 people to sign petition at my coffee morning. Most don't get on with technology very well ( not that I do!) But I managed to get them all on petition site and they all voted and were so pleased with themselves both for voting and learning to do a bit of technology.

So-for the confused amongst us...

May has to pass her WA early in the coming week to qualify for an extension to May?

If she doesn’t (BBC app says she’s prob not going for MV3 as she thinks it won’t win), then what?

Can anyone in the government actually remove her?

Really wish I’d gone on the March. I went on the October one but wasn’t able to go today. Wish there were local protests too.

The terms of the extension was if the WA passes it, extends to may and if it doesn't then its April. But what happens if there isn't even a vote on the WA?!

Estimated to be over a million people t the matc.

Then, is it just further can-kicking until the April date and then blind panic?

She really needs to go now. Put someone in charge for a bit (Ken Clarke?) and hold a people’s vote. Any chance of that?!

Thanks red
A friend on the march thinks numbers are massively up. They hadn't shifted one bit a few minutes ago.