It's here! - the day we march against the chaos that is Brexit.

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A thread for those of us on the march today :)

Weather still looking good, (perhaps, possibly, even some sunshine?) temps around 12-14, a little gusty at times, cooling off in the evening, so bring an extra jumper if you haven't set off.

Travel safely and see you at the march!

I wonder if the police remembered Theresa May used to be Home Secretary ?

Supposing remainers get a peoples vote and supposing they win by a small margin, can the leavers then have people's vote?

That's right ignore with those who don't agree with you ! That's real backbone girl , I hope you grow up soon !

We voted to join , and then voted to leave , so clearly having more than one vote is possible.

It might make sense to have a more nuanced vote because it’s pretty clear that brexit means a range of different things, as parliament have shown. They don’t want to remain, they don’t want a no deal exit and they don’t want the May deal.

Twerp.

So we have another referendum and if you don’t like the out come we have another one, then another one.
Anything voted for with majority should be accepted

Frankly, I think that making a decision as major as this on a simple majority vote was completely bonkers. The thought that one vote could have swung it was insane.

Here's a suggestion.....
It costs £35m a week to be a member of the EU, would remainers agree to pay extra taxes to pay for it? if yes 'd vote remain tomorrow.

That's the trouble with sharing tax payers money it twists attitudes.

As far as I remember, our EU membership is responsible for 0.7% or so of an individual’s tax bill. In my case about £30.
I have no problem at all with that.

sevens7
The EU is 7p in every £10 that the government spends
Pensions are over £2.00
get your priorities right

How much do we get back from the way and how much does it cost us?

I have no idea what my last post means-sorry!

Tariffs are surely applicable on trade deals once we're no longer members of the EU, so taxes will still be paying for them

*would remainers agree to pay extra taxes to pay for it? if yes 'd vote remain tomorrow.

That's the trouble with sharing tax payers money it twists attitudes.*

Do you know how much of your tax bill goes towards the EU? It's less than 1% of the income tax you pay.

IIRC the UK pays about 60p per person per day.

And would remainers bail out irresponsible EU countries that mismanage their economies?

sevens
And would remainers bail out irresponsible EU countries that mismanage their economies?
No. THey might get lent money - as Greece was, but not a QE style bail out that the UK did for the bankers

Love how Sevens has to play "squirrel!" when s/he didn't get the answer s/he wanted.

60p a day is what it would cost you to buy Seven's vote

It costs £35m a week to be a member of the EU, would remainers agree to pay extra taxes to pay for it? if yes 'd vote remain tomorrow

It costs about 0.4% of a person's tax to pay for EU membership. We don't have to pay 'extra taxes' - we are already using our tax to pay for it - and it is an insignificant amount.
We will have to pay much more for access to any EU agencies we want to keep (medicines agency - European arrest warrant - are they really so terrible?)
So our taxes will probably increase to pay for brexit, as the economy gets weaker. Only we will have lost our EU citizens rights, our FOM, our rebate, funding for science, uni's and rural and poorer regions.

Seems a very small price we have been paying. Brexit seems a very inefficient and counterproductive way to save tax payer money.

But to answer the direct question - would I be willing to pay more tax for all the benefits the EU gives us? Yes. Yes I would. And, as 17.4 million people have decided they have the right to remove my EU citizenship from me against my will; if they offer it, I will be perfectly happy to pay for an opt in citizenship... it will cost a lot more than what I'm currently paying. But I'll still gladly pay it.

And would remainers bail out irresponsible EU countries that mismanage their economies?

We could well be the country that needs bailing out in the future. Although admittedly if we leave we wouldn't be an irresponsible EU country, just an irresponsible country.

Mass immigration helped to push up house prices, people borrowed too much then everything collapsed.
Labour deregulated the banks, encouraged mass immigration (Blair said come now instead of having it over 7 years) that's why 17m rebelled and voted leave.

Mass immigration helped to push up house prices, people borrowed too much then everything collapsed

The house price increase corelates more closely with deregulation of borrowing, introduction of capital gains tax relief and the introduction of other peoples mortgages as in investment vehicle than population growth or immigration trends. But that is not a populist message is it?

Well done everyone. I wish I could have gone. Unfortunately I couldn't afford to travel to London. Brexit will break us.

Everything you mentioned in your 19:51 post was the fault of the UK government, not the EU Sevens.

dd spotted a police officer doing sudoku next to the march

Mass immigration helped to push up house prices,

We have not had 'mass immigration' from EU countries. Immigration from the newly entered former eastern bloc countries was higher than first expected (it was Britain which pushed for these countries to be fast tracked) - however now their economies are booming (thanks to membership of the EU) many of them are now returning home. Meanwhile net immigration has increased in Britain since 2016 - even though EU immigration (seasonal workers or professionals who contributed well to our economy) has decreased.

people borrowed too much then everything collapsed.
This is not the fault of the EU. This is the fault of the banks. And of people who borrow more than they can afford.

Labour deregulated the banks, encouraged mass immigration (Blair said come now instead of having it over 7 years) that's why 17m rebelled and voted leave.

Domestic policy on banking or anything else, again, is not the fault of the EU. And voting to leave does not put any of this right. It just puts us in a much weaker position.

We have heard all these arguments for the past three years, they are weak and have been debunked many many times. Either find better arguments or adjust your position.

Anyway - enough of the shameful and frightened derail. Back to the march. I never even made it to Trafalgar square! We passed St James' palace at quarter to four (and we thought we started near the front!) shuffled down pallmall and then got stuck by the Florence Nightingale statue. In the end we decided to bail out and get something to eat before our train, rather than keep trying to force our way down the road. It was a shame not to get to Downing street - but really good that the reason was the crowds were simply too big to get there!