Westminstenders: Flextension

[RedToothBrush]

Just wrote an intro and wiped it. So this is as quick as I can sum up.

EU response is extension to 22nd May if May passes her deal by 29th March

Or an unconditional extension to 12 April which could be extended with a plan and understanding to take part in EU elections.

This isn't what may wanted. It gives her less time and leverage

It opens up the possibility of her being ousted as PM in the next couple of days. Graham Brady asked her to quit on Monday. Remain Cabinet ministers are threatening to quit if May whips a vote to support no deal.

The talk is May has indeed flipped to supporting no deal with many think she's pretty much gone full on Colonel Kurtz.

The EU are in effect supporting parliamentary sovereignty and are being incredibly reasonable.

May now has to decide whether to accept.

The whole situation looks explosive and likely that one half of the cabinet or the other are on the brink of walking. And May's power is so shattered.

However she remains the gatekeeper and as it stands if she's hell bent on no deal, it will be extremely difficult for Parliament to prevent that.

Expressing solidarity with marchers. I’m working today, but will check up on your progress on my breaks.

✌🏽✌🏽✌🏽✌🏽✌🏽

And 🖕🏽to Brexit.

I'm exasperated that MPs thought otherwise, but relieved the penny has finally dropped

It's their job to know this sort of thing and the EU have stated this repeatedly
MPs should not be so far behind Westministenders !

(I've been posting ever since the recent documents added to the WA that there can be NO renegotiation of it, only of the PD
and even those were more cosmetic reassurances, no changes in the WA substance)

Wear your red toothbrush with great pride, 2bees 💪🏼

to all you marchers! The #PVRoadtrip photos are heartening.

I see labour have tweeted about joining them today in their Labour Doorstep today. This is trolling yes?

mobile.twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1109155782287740928

Corbyn's last attempt to drive down the numbers for PV ?

How to piss off 100s of 1000s of potential voters

Re PD/ WA,/ Anna Soubry
It certainly seemed like it was a surprise to her when she found out.

She seemed almost cautious about saying it. Used words like ' I can say this now as it's in the public domain from xxx comments earlier today'

Most strange

Anyway good luck to everyone marching today

I do agree with you @mrslaughan . My mum has read the Daily Express every day for years since The Today closed and feels quite strongly about Brexit, to the point where we don't discuss it as I really think we would fall out. When I look through that paper at her house, the emotive language and spluttering outrage on every page makes me want to screw the thing up.

I filled in the MN site survey that red posted

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_surveys/3540235-MNHQ-here-take-our-survey-100-voucher-to-be-won

and requested Ivan Rogers as a future guest

He is the most knowledgeable Brit about Brexit
(Barnier & team deserve a rest from daft Brexit questions !)

I also requested less censorship on trans discussions

OK, now I'm confused.

I thought that the indicative votes were about their intentions as to how they want to proceed (no deal, WA, PV, revoke etc), which are nothing to do with the content of the WA / PD?

Or is she talking about the other votes referred to which include the Norway / Canada options, which were pointed out on here yesterday as being things they can't decide on without EU agreement?

Surely they need to first decide WHAT they want to do (no deal / WA / PV / revoke) and then think about what options for our exit they want, if it's decided to exit still? Ultimately, if they vote for PV to happen, HOW we leave can be decided later, if leave still wins? It'll be moot right now, so why not decide on what they want and go from there? Too logical?

Today's Times Editorial
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-times-view-on-theresa-may-go-prime-minister-0fff67ck9?shareToken=9b1bab6ddb7bdcb2c1757f970575556b
The Times view on Theresa May: Go, Prime Minister

If she can’t get her deal through parliament early next week, she should step down to allow a caretaker prime minister to steer the country to safer waters

Got this lovely email last night from my leave voting mum: ^very proud of you for marching! If they had another
referendum I would not vote for Brexit, but we had no idea what it
would entail .... we were lied to and misinformed. Well done for
protesting!

• Lots of love - XXXXMum^

Good luck today everyone!!!

fluffy These future options come under the heading of PD, since the WA cannot be changed

There is a need for specific wishes, otherwise MPs could vote again for the unicorn they want, not what is on offer from the EU

So an option "change the PD" is too dangerous, as MPs might rule out the possible options in favour of the unicorn.

We have no time for more mistakes

What has struck me reading that Labour tweet and the replies, is the number of people who are marching. I'm hoping for an enormous turn out today.

@TheMostBoringPersonEver

That is pretty much spot on and accurate summary of the Brexit / Trump connections.

Boris Johnson is caught up in it because he's been hanging out with Bannon and some of the same dubious figures as Aaron Banks (Inc a few Russian diplomats who many feel are a little more than diplomats).

Yes, BCF, I thought my post made that clear; apologies if I didn't make it clear that I'm aware of it! It's why I said they need to decide which course they're taking and not even think about how they want to leave, as if it's decided to stay it's moot anyway.

Indicative votes need to be about whether we leave or remain or have another PV. Anything which is a PD amendment isn't necessary until the course of action is decided.

The EU have repeatedly laid out all the possible future relationships

We have known - or should have known ! - for a long time what options are available
.... and what responsibilities / dropping of red lines the UK must accept for each

Been lurking for a while and want to thank all of the posters for keeping me so informed. I can't come to the march but donated to the cause. I'll be wearing blue and yellow today with my anti Brexit badge. Just wanted to share this report from my local news about a huge pro Brexit protest at Plymouth Port last night

www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/local-news/brexit-ferry-protest-plymouth-no-2677855

Fingers crossed for a huge turnout today. I'll be watching. Fuck Brexit!!

fluffy No, because if most MPs ever decide to Revoke or have a PV, it will be because they don't like any of the possible future relationships sufficiently

These possible futures need to be spelled out to be voted on.

Otherwise, MPs could vote down Revoke or PV because they believe in a unicorn PD
This false belief and late realisation of it could lead to an unplanned No Deal

Bit it's still all moot if they decide to go for the PV this week. It can all be worked out later after the vote has taken place if leave wins. Or, if they want to put the type of leaving to the electorate (which probably is too technical a question), then it can still be decided later, not necessarily this week.

If they vote PV, the urgent need is to get the EU27 to agree to a massively long extension and go from there once that SI is sorted and the cliff edge has gone.

Ok so indicative votes will affect a) reasons for long extension b) direction of duty relationship

But

In any leave scenario, even after long extension, the existing WA will have to be passed. Otherwise its back to no deal.

It's all a bit chicken and egg. But I still don't think the leaving method needs to be voted on. They just need to be spelled out clearly as THESE ARE THE OPTIONS FOT LEAVING, NO OTHERS ARE AVAILABLE, in their pre-vote briefings which can also be spelled out pre-vote in the house.

My mum's MP sent her a briefing on no deal, so I know they get them.

*future not duty

I cannot go, but DH will be at the march. I don’t think he’s ever been on one before (refusing to take a placard, though we offered to make him one )

Enjoy the March all you who are going. Are sure you take plenty of fluids with you, it's often a long wait until you get going.

Isn’t it the case that a WA needs to be passed but not necessarily the current one.

If some of the red lines are dropped as a result of indicative votes then the WA could be renegotiated.