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Westminstenders: The Last Rites

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RedToothBrush · 20/03/2019 23:52

After May's disastrous speech to the nation, we've hit the impasse once and for all.

She managed to enrage everyone from Brexiteers to hard Remainers and everyone in between. It was so poorly judged it's difficult to know where to begin. It just feeds the division and anger in our society in all quarters.

It's also massively undermines her appeal to the EU for an extension. If France thought we were a political basket case they were well shot of, and didn't want more social contagion from before 8pm, then they certainly won't have changed their minds since.

May's speech was that of a would be dictator. After next Friday, she effectively has both the justification and the power to act upon those instincts. She has spoken out against parliamentary democracy and consistently disregarded the law.

It's hard to see any outcome but no deal with no extension at this point. We are no waiting on a miracle to save us and that's no more than a forlorn hope. Something we hold on to, until reality presents itself.

The Last Rites of British Democracy have been served this week.

And now we face the wait for what seems now inevitable.

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DGRossetti · 21/03/2019 15:15

Unless one's MP is Christopher Chope. Don't show him any love.

Much as I understand your sentiment, this is one area I withdraw my humour cannon from ... no MP going about their business as an elected representative should be permitted to be subject to threats, violence or any attempt to influence them unlawfully or unduly. And any such attempts should - and must - be dealt with by the relevant authorities with the utmost urgency.

Otherwise it's simply a matter of degree before "the will of the people" is used as an excuse for Farage Fairies to turn up at Westminster to "advise" MPs on how to vote by carrying "escorting" them through the "right" lobby.

NoWordForFluffy · 21/03/2019 15:16

How thick is that bloody woman? What doesn't she get?

Every day her obstinacy blows me away that little bit more. I just dont get how she's failing to read the mood of the country so badly!

WaterQuarter · 21/03/2019 15:17

Well not showing love doesn't mean waving a pitchfork at him either. No MP deserves death threats but nothing could persuade me to write a supportive email to that man.

DGRossetti · 21/03/2019 15:17

Rearrange the words in this sentence

From what I hear May is increasingly resigned to accepting no deal

To produce an outcome that would satisfy over 50% of the nation ...

Grin
NoWordForFluffy · 21/03/2019 15:17

@Arborea, either check out the list on the march thread or google people's vote march.

My local coach is sold out.

DGRossetti · 21/03/2019 15:17

and ...

www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2019/03/21/black-thursday-britain-humiliated-on-global-stage-as-it-begs

politics.co.uk
Black Thursday: Britain humiliated on global stage as it begs EU for more time
Ian Dunt
6-7 minutes
Theresa May's speech yesterday again refused to take any personal responsibility for the situation the country found itself in Theresa May's speech yesterday again refused to take any personal responsibility for the situation the country found itself in
Theresa May's speech yesterday again refused to take any personal responsibility for the situation the country found itself in

We're not in the room when they decide what happens to us. First Theresa May will make a short speech. Then she leaves and the leaders of 27 other countries make a decision. We wait outside. That's how Britain finds out what happens to it. It's taken just three years - three years of nationalism and political puritanism - to reduce the country to this status.

May's previous speeches have often managed to turn otherwise sympathetic European leaders against her. They don't appear to be any better behind closed doors than they are in front of cameras. In both instances they lack charisma, or intellectual content, or even a hint of personal responsibility. She cannot think creatively about problems. She cannot lay out a convincing case for how to proceed with them. All she can do is blame other people - the EU, opposition parties, the House of Lords, or the institution of parliament itself - for her own failings. Expecting her to live up to the historical moment is like asking an old Casio calculator to log on to the internet.

As it happens, the EU leaders will probably reject the offer of a June extension and fix it to the month of May. It doesn't matter. The prime minister is unlikely to get her Brexit deal through next week, so it's largely academic. The crucial moment will come next week, if it is defeated, as we find out whether they will meet again and provide a longer extension. We expect the answer to be yes, but we are no longer in control of our fate. Other countries decide it for us.

This is the core fact of today: our fate in the hands of others. It is very real and genuinely profound. When else were we brought so low? Which other moment in our modern lifetime ever saw us so humiliated? Suez? That was nothing. A bad-tempered chat with the Americans which made it clear we couldn't run the world anymore. Denis Healey asking the IMF for an emergency loan? Black Wednesday? These were drops in the ocean next to what is happening to us here. We are living through history - and not the good kind. We're living the kind that even in 20 or 30 years' time, people will say: 'Well this is bad, but it's not as bad as Brexit.'

The causes of today's events are many and varied. The government wasted time it did not have. MPs were unable to accept the practical consequences of a theoretical course of action they were intent on pursuing. There was insufficient preparation. There was a preference for echo chamber reassurance instead of cold, hard calculation. We fiddled and bickered as the fire took hold.

Remainers want to blame everything on Brexit as a concept. Leavers want to blame how it was pursued. But the reality is that both ends and means have been terrible.

Brexit involves leaving a membership-based regulatory super-power, with huge trading strength, which functions according to the strict and unyielding implementation of law. You are always going to have less control outside than you do in. If Brexit happens, that'll be the case for all sorts of decisions, from the coding on driverless cars to best practice in medical trials. We'll do the same as they do, just to keep life ticking away as easily as possible. The only thing that will have changed is that we won't be in the room making the decisions anymore. Today is just a particularly dramatic, system-wide application of the basic principle which is set to govern our future as a nation: self-imposed exile from power.

But even if you did decide to pursue this project, there are good ways to do it and bad ways. The good way is to come up with a set of deliverable goals and a realistic timetable. The government did not do that. The goals it set were largely impossible - such as maintaining the exact same benefits as single market membership while leaving it - and the timetable was established on the basis of domestic political concerns rather than a disinterested assessment of what was required. This is what happens when you fixate on pleasuring the most hysterical and right-wing elements of your party instead of thinking about the good of your country.

Cooler heads warned about this moment for years: when the result came in, when Article 50 was triggered, when the government refused to be honest about the obstacles in front of it, when May wasted time on a pointless election or ran down the clock in the last few weeks. This is precisely the moment they feared: A proud country, reduced to begging. Brexit is an outrage to the status of Britain. It is an act of national mutilation.

But it is also a reminder, in these final pivotal moments of the Article 50 process, of what's at stake. The power, reputation and pride of the country is on the line. The primary argument against Brexit has always been a patriotic one. And today shows why that is. You can run from that truth. You can hide from it. But there's no place left anymore. It is plain for all to see. The bleak, drab, pitiless reality of what this project entails is now visible to the world. It can still be stopped, and it must be.

Sostenueto · 21/03/2019 15:18

Right signed petition then it said continue then it said bad gateway? 1,345,00 so far ( I think)

bellinisurge · 21/03/2019 15:18

Nope. Never ever talk about killing MPs or (even just not protecting them) even in jest.
I've seen Remainers and Leavers among my FB "friends " sharing some meme about how in the 1700s the Dutch PM was killed and eaten. Not funny.

WaterQuarter · 21/03/2019 15:18

Every day her obstinacy blows me away that little bit more.

Obstinacy is the one thing where she and Corbyn are perfectly aligned.

HazardGhost · 21/03/2019 15:20

Also just emailed my MP.

I hate the fucker, he's a spineless twat, HOWEVER I did empathise that MPs are facing difficulties, patted his hand metaphorically and wished him and all MPs well.

RedToothBrush · 21/03/2019 15:20

@arborea DH has the info on his email. I will try and get it off him later.

Remind me if I don't.

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Yamayo · 21/03/2019 15:21

May and Corbyn are the perfect yin and yang.
We couldn't have got worse party leaders at a time of such crucial importance.

CordeliaEarhart · 21/03/2019 15:22

This is a matter of personal regret for me but a short extension would give parliament time to make a final choice that delivers on the result of the referendum.

ARG!!!!!!!! I actually can't even begin to explain how angry that makes me.

tobee · 21/03/2019 15:32

So she does MV 3 next week and it gets voted down, anyone think she'll resign?

She stays anyway and we go out no deal, anyone think she'd resign then?

Just wondering what you lot predict?

GroovieGazelloo · 21/03/2019 15:33

1 000 199 signatures - and 7 minutes until 3pm well done everyone signing!

Uplifting news.Smile

MyNameIsArthur · 21/03/2019 15:35

Blimey page 21 already. PMK

Sostenueto · 21/03/2019 15:39

1,043,620 as from now. My previous post should have read 1,035,000.

DGRossetti · 21/03/2019 15:39

She stays anyway and we go out no deal, anyone think she'd resign then?

She's already laid the carpet out for not resigning. It's all the nasty parliaments fault. Since she must clearly believe her own hype, she must believe that hordes of people who haven't been telling her to fuck off will appear over the horizon and deliver her on an M&S sofa to some sort of Brexit rapture.

In reality she's made herself an irrelevance as events are moving out of her control. In reality the only "power" she has now is the ability to present something to parliament, and (possibly Hmm) to revoke A50. All else lies elsewhere.

Sostenueto · 21/03/2019 15:40

Will Berkow shock everyone and NOT allow WA111?

Sostenueto · 21/03/2019 15:43

Does not Erskine May rule need to be overturned by vote before WA111 can be presented again?

LonelyTiredandLow · 21/03/2019 15:44

Someone just popped up on my fb saying that I am worrying too much as she knows a financial adviser who told her just last weekend that banks are moving money out of EU!

Erm, I'll trust the FT, CBI and TUC over your dodgy leaver mate ta! Confused

tobee · 21/03/2019 15:44

Andrew Murrison MP on Sky News:- straight out of Central Casting for a Tory MP

EweSurname · 21/03/2019 15:45

Sorry if this has been posted before

twitter.com/HoCpetitions/status/1108711303865139202

NoWordForFluffy · 21/03/2019 15:45

Either the house has to vote to disregard EM, or the WA had to be significantly different from the last time it was presented in order for MVIII to take place.

EweSurname · 21/03/2019 15:45

Petitions Committee
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The rate of signing is the highest the site has ever had to deal with and we have had to make some changes to ensure the site remains stable and open for signatures and new petitions. Thanks for bearing with us.

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