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Westminstenders: The Last Rites

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RedToothBrush · 20/03/2019 23:52

After May's disastrous speech to the nation, we've hit the impasse once and for all.

She managed to enrage everyone from Brexiteers to hard Remainers and everyone in between. It was so poorly judged it's difficult to know where to begin. It just feeds the division and anger in our society in all quarters.

It's also massively undermines her appeal to the EU for an extension. If France thought we were a political basket case they were well shot of, and didn't want more social contagion from before 8pm, then they certainly won't have changed their minds since.

May's speech was that of a would be dictator. After next Friday, she effectively has both the justification and the power to act upon those instincts. She has spoken out against parliamentary democracy and consistently disregarded the law.

It's hard to see any outcome but no deal with no extension at this point. We are no waiting on a miracle to save us and that's no more than a forlorn hope. Something we hold on to, until reality presents itself.

The Last Rites of British Democracy have been served this week.

And now we face the wait for what seems now inevitable.

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yolofish · 21/03/2019 12:47

Tinfoil hat at the ready, I signed the petition and my email service has gone down...

dontcallmelen · 21/03/2019 12:49

I’m still waiting for confirmation, been over twenty minutes now.

TatianaLarina · 21/03/2019 12:49

My parents have rung to say they clicked the petition but the email to confirm did not come through. I’m tried for them but it’s the site.

LonelyTiredandLow · 21/03/2019 12:49

Anna Soubry just said "Oh what a prat" to Farage on Live TV.
Lots of laughing about the march, hilarious!

dontcallmelen · 21/03/2019 12:51

😂 at Anna Soubry

WhatWouldScoobyDoo · 21/03/2019 12:54

Yay got my confirmation email Grin

EnlightenmentwasaPassingPhase · 21/03/2019 12:55

Nigel Farage on BBC2 just now (why?) looks like he's going to have a coronary.

Andrew Neil (Neal) is odious as usual and a disgrace to the BBC.

yolofish · 21/03/2019 12:56

OTH my email to that woman (who I refuse to call the PM any longer) has gone through, no one who matters will ever read it though.
Still no msg re petition but it says something on their website about beign patient...

dontcallmelen · 21/03/2019 12:56

What how long did you wait.

Sostenueto · 21/03/2019 12:56

The meeting that TM had last night were for leaders of the Opposition parties. chucka and his mates are not a political party and should have not been there. JC was right to walk out and had had a 20 minute meeting with TM the night before or same day.. It was staged by TM to tarnish JC and labour and papers are calling him allsorts which was exactly what TM wanted. People should realise that if you ate called to an official meeting for leaders of a political PARTY only those who belong to an official political PARTY should be there. If the tiggets wanted to be represented at that meeting they should have remained in their own parties otherwise tough shit!

Citytwin · 21/03/2019 12:57

The confirmation email went to my junk folder so check there if you haven’t had it yet.

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 21/03/2019 12:57

Nigel Farage on BBC2 just now (why?) looks like he's going to have a coronary

He looks really rattled doesn’t he. Insisting Britain is still a leave country. Hmm

pepinana · 21/03/2019 12:57

It's Chuka.

JC was not right to walk out. He behaved like a petulant teenager.

Tanith · 21/03/2019 12:58

"My parents have rung to say they clicked the petition but the email to confirm did not come through. I’m tried for them but it’s the site."

I've known it to take quite a while with popular petitions. You may need to keep checking.

RedToothBrush · 21/03/2019 12:59

Realistically, how long will it take to do the house stuff?
Thats a how long is a piece of string type of question tbh. I need as much time as possible at the weekend to shift stuff into storage and go to the tip as well as sort out bits and pieces. I can't physically do it myself, and I need to guide DH with where I'm up to. Its 45mins by car to central Liverpool if the traffic is decent, or car to the station then around half hour in by train. So I could do a half day in Liverpool comfortably, which is considerably better than 7am start and a late night return going to London.

I don't think anyone has mentioned about Kwasi Kwarteng's leaked notes. Its a piece by Robert Peston.

www.itv.com/news/2019-03-21/what-a-brexit-minister-was-told-to-say-about-the-brexit-mess/?fbclid=IwAR0svdxvHCEdAVyeKnRhQuT1CTqr59EFdldU3zgIwzOlxxXCcq4nvm8xIB8
What a Brexit minister was told to say about the Brexit mess

This is utterly fascinating. Read it all.

What is striking – and important – is that Kwarteng has been instructed, presumably by Downing Street, to avoid saying that MPs face a choice between backing the PM’s deal and a no-deal Brexit, even though that is how the PM and the EU’s president Donald Tusk seemed to be framing the choice yesterday.

and

^

Expecting to be asked in interviews that it’s “no-deal if you lose MV3 [a third meaningful vote on the PM’s deal]”, Kwarteng is told to reply “you’re getting ahead of yourselves”.^

Elsewhere in the note, headed “top lines and Q&A” it says that if MPs reject the PM’s deal again, “MPs will have to decide how to proceed”. There is no suggestion that a no-deal Brexit is the automatic consequence.

In other words, the document rather poo-poos the idea that MPs face a straightforward binary choice between her deal and no-deal – and that rather reduces the jeopardy for them if, as I understand, a majority of them still expect to reject her plan next week.

I've also seen this circulating this morning:

Tom Harwood @tomhfh
Reminder: if May's deal is voted down we DO NOT get no deal.

If it's defeated, the EU has plans to hold an emergency Council summit in Brussels on March 28 where they would hand the UK a long long A50 extension - forcing us into EU elections.

assessing the options, leaving on 29th March with No Deal has one of the lowest likelihoods of all.

This is where I use salt liberally. I've not seen this said ANYWHERE else. Tom Harwood, I believe, is the latest recruit for Guido Fawkes. So a firm right wing journalist, but not a total nutter either.

I do not know if its true, but its circulating in certain social media bubbles - and actually it seems to fit quite nicely against the Peston Story above - and also potentially with all this stuff May said about EP elections and a long extension. Its certainly plausable, though I am not buying it as its something that would have had to have been overlooked by every other journalist there is. Which I find hard to believe.

Back to the NI story, and it seems the DUP are not happy bunnies:

Sam McBride @SJAMcBride
The DUP's Nigel Dodds asks Karen Bradley to do something "radical" by calling the Assembly to meet & "putting it up to the parties" to see which parties are prepared to form an Executive. Karen Bradley carefully doesn't answer his question.

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TheABC · 21/03/2019 13:00

Well, the petition is on the BBC and being shared by MPs. It's definitely getting attention.

OogieMcBoogie · 21/03/2019 13:00

While I agree that Chuka should not have been invited, Corbyn will have to deal with far worse if he’s ever successfully elected as PM and so should have had the grace to deal with this more professionally.

woodpigeons · 21/03/2019 13:01

An online tool for writing to your MP to revoke.
There’s a standard letter if you don’t want to write your own.

www.anothereurope.org/mp-write/revoke/

WhatdoImean · 21/03/2019 13:01

Really Sos?

You think after announcing (as Corbyn did in the HoC) that we were damn near in a state of emergency.... You think he was actually right to walk away rather than , you know, be adult about stuff and actually do something constructive?

Really?

And you wonder why Corbyn is not popular with people...? Have you SEEN the state of the Tories? And yet they are STILL more popular than Labour? Labour SHOULD be so far ahead in the polls, it would be silly... instead, they are behind this clusterfuck of a political party.

pepinana · 21/03/2019 13:01

Omg can't believe the petition is over 800,000. Mad.

RedToothBrush · 21/03/2019 13:02

The meeting that TM had last night were for leaders of the Opposition parties. chucka and his mates are not a political party and should have not been there. JC was right to walk out and had had a 20 minute meeting with TM the night before or same day.. It was staged by TM to tarnish JC and labour and papers are calling him allsorts which was exactly what TM wanted. People should realise that if you ate called to an official meeting for leaders of a political PARTY only those who belong to an official political PARTY should be there. If the tiggets wanted to be represented at that meeting they should have remained in their own parties otherwise tough shit!

Seriously. Where to you have the energy to worry about this momentual pettiness when we have a political crisis of this scale?

What is it about Chukka that is so bad? More than all the other people Corbyn HAS been willing to sit down and discuss things with?

My mind is boggling.

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pepinana · 21/03/2019 13:03

I like Chuka, I always have. I'd have been happy with him as Labour leader.

Also a big Yvette Cooper fan.

WhatWouldScoobyDoo · 21/03/2019 13:03

dontcallmemelen it took about 30-40 mins to come through.

I checked on the site and it said it could take up to 24 hours, if it hasn’t arrived after that you can email them directly and they will add you to the petition manually.

Hope yours comes soon!

DGRossetti · 21/03/2019 13:04

Omg can't believe the petition is over 800,000. Mad.

Beating the "If England win the World Cup ..." petition of 2018 ...

RedToothBrush · 21/03/2019 13:05

Paul Brand @PaulBrandITV
NEW: Labour MP @paulasherriff says she received a message last week that "my head should be chopped off". She cornered the PM yesterday and begged her to "dial down the rhetoric" because it is endangering MPs.

And in the context, how does Corbyn storming out dial down rhetoric either?

Not helpful.

Its about party preservation and their own power preservation than national interest and I'm fucking sick of it.

They all need to grow up.

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