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Can someone please explain to me what just happened with the vote??

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FFSFFSFFS · 13/03/2019 19:23

I am beyond relieved that it means No Deal?

But can anyone explain in very simple language what the vote was about??

(the newspapers can't seem to explain it clearly enough for my teeny mind...)

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StealthPolarBear · 13/03/2019 21:30

OK I'm really confused

The government tabled a motion to prevent the UK from exiting the EU on 29 March without a deal, after MPs voted overwhelmingly on Tuesday to reject her withdrawal agreement
But before MPs voted on the government motion, they backed an amendment tabled by Labour's Yvette Cooper rejecting a no-deal Brexit under any circumstances - by just four votes.
This dramatic development led to the government ordering Conservative MPs to vote against its own motion, despite earlier promising them a free vote.

From the BBC. I can't make head nor tail of it.

StealthPolarBear · 13/03/2019 21:32

Have there been two votes today? They voted once and the difference was four so then there was a second vote...
What the hell is goi g on

cyclingmad · 13/03/2019 21:33

Basically it was a free vote wihen it was the original motion, a tory (spelman) tabled a motion but under pressure she wanted ot withdraw it but wasn't allowed to because Yvette Cooper had also signed the amendment and said she wanted it tabled. Therefore May then said its no longer a free vote on the amended motion.

Doubletrouble99 · 13/03/2019 21:35

I bet the far right and the DUP are ruing the day they voted no to TM's deal now!

StealthPolarBear · 13/03/2019 21:35

I had no idea. This is worrying.

cyclingmad · 13/03/2019 21:35

this is the last straw, democracy is truly dead in the UK, defying the will of millions of people's votes in a referendum - doesn't matter if your remain or leave how anyone can think this is democractic is beyond me

RancidOldHag · 13/03/2019 21:37

Thanks for putting me straight!

Blinked and missed a bit.

(Don't think it invalidates rest of my post though)

GhostofFrankGrimes · 13/03/2019 21:39

doesn't matter if your remain or leave how anyone can think this is democractic is beyond me

You don't understand the difference between opinion polls and representative democracy.

Ffsnosexallowed · 13/03/2019 21:41

This is how our democracy works. Ironically its the referendum which was probably the most undemocratic bit.

FFSFFSFFS · 13/03/2019 21:43

You don't understand the difference between opinion polls and representative democracy

THIS!!!!!

It was a non binding advisory referendum. With respect to which the Leave campaign was in breach of democratic electoral guidelines.

"Democracy" does not mean that Brexit HAS to happen!

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surferjet · 13/03/2019 21:45

So is brexit not happening now?

Hellohah · 13/03/2019 21:48

How was the leave campaign in breach of democratic electoral guidelines?

cyclingmad · 13/03/2019 21:51

Well MPs agreed to enshrine the date and time of Brexit in law.

It was right for all us to have say on leave or remain. The majority spoke and then MPs at least back then followed the will of the people that is what democracy is.

What happened today isn't.

Desperateforspring · 13/03/2019 21:53

On sky news, someone tweeted in.

Why hasn't the government gone cross cabinet to get through national crisis?

We can't negotiate without no deal.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 13/03/2019 21:54

The majority spoke and then MPs at least back then followed the will of the people that is what democracy is.

Democracy didn't end in June 2016. Even leavers disagree on the type of Brexit they want or is achievable. You can vote for the moon on a stick doesn't mean its achievable.

cyclingmad · 13/03/2019 21:54

blinded by opinion on whether your a remainer or leaver, in stead step back and look at what on earth just took place. A vote took place, this was enshrined in law so its legally binding. Parliament are now bending over backwards to go against 17.4 million votes.

How much was said about the referendum vote being too close that it was too close and should have had a much clearer majority....well guess what there was 4 votes in it tonight but hey guess what you won't hear anyone complaining how its too close to call and should have another vote.

Hypocritics of the highest order.

SciFiRules · 13/03/2019 21:56

rancidoldhag
We have never had leverage. Leaving is damaging to the UK. Yes it damages the EU but by far less.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 13/03/2019 21:57

Parliament are now bending over backwards to go against 17.4 million votes.

You might want to question why the biggest Brexiteers like JRM and the DUP won't support leaving in the form of the WA.

Bluntness100 · 13/03/2019 21:58

No deal is not off the table

I'm unsure if you're playing semantics or genuinely don't understand,

The government is committed to pass into legislation the results of tonight's vote. If they do not do this they are in contempt of parliament
Teresa May after the vote has confirmed she will respect it. So although it's yet not passed into legislation no deal to all intents and purposes is now off the table.

As for whether it was whipped or not, it was. The original government motion was a free vote. This was amended. The amendment was whipped, the original motion was not voted on as it was amended. 17 MPs broke the whip

AnyWalls · 13/03/2019 21:59

I'm fucking lost.

Not a clue.

How many fucks are given? At this stage? No fucks.

Desperateforspring · 13/03/2019 21:59

Cycling it's Very frustrating.

A line is always drawn somewhere.

Pass, fail any exams Etc by one mark... beat runner in race by millisecond...

AnyWalls · 13/03/2019 22:01

But if a deal can't be reached, 'No deal' isn't an alternative deal. It's literally a statement that no deal has been reached? So they've got to leave or extend.

Ffsnosexallowed · 13/03/2019 22:01

How many of those 17.4 million really knew what they were going to be voting for? Were they all voting for leave at any cost? We're they voting leave if it means a hard border in the island of Ireland? Were they voting leave of we had no agreement? Were they voting still leave if we have no customs union?? No one knows. That's why it's madness to say that we have to leave because 17.4 million voted for it

StealthPolarBear · 13/03/2019 22:01

Why were they told to vote against their own motion? What even was "their own motion"?

Bluntness100 · 13/03/2019 22:02

Parliament are now bending over backwards to go against 17.4 million votes.

This is twisting it. No deal was not on the referendum paper, and the impact of no deal was not articulated. It's very disingenuous to suggest 17.4 million people voted for no deal and it's impacts, as this was not the case. 17.4 million people voted for the bullshit the leave campaign fed them. At no stage did anyone articulate the impacts of no deal and it was never asked of the public if they wished it.

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