Westminstenders: Distract and divert. Just close your eyes.

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This morning Jeremy Hunt declared that, 'With vision on both sides we can find a way through that has the support of Parliament and also works for the EU'

Of course this is 18th February 2019 and the UK has yet to demostrate they understand the problem, much less have the vision to solve it. And we leave the EU next month.

It needs to be stressed at this point: DON'T FORGET TO FOCUS ON WHAT REALLY MATTERS

Everything else is a tactic to make you close your eyes and miss what is really going on. Everything. Brexit looks increasingly like a hypnotist making their subject do ever increasing acts of ridiculousness on stage. Except I do not know if the public or the politicians are that poor sod. It is the magician who uses tricks of slight of hand to make you look the wrong way, whilst they makes all the big moves out of your vision.

There are so many stories that are coming out to try and make you miss what the government are failing to do. Stay focused. We can't ignore all these stories, but understand whether they are really important to the end game too.

A labour split, a march on the 23rd March, talk of a PV, the Brady amendment, the Malthouse Compromise, Cooper-Boles halting no deal?

No we need more than that.

The time for fantasies are gone. Its time to face reality and be pragmatic. The only thing that matters is the approaching cliff. Which we will go over not on the 29th March but in the next couple of weeks. We might not realise the ground disappearing beneath our feet at first. Our momentum as we go forward will carry for a short while before gravity kicks in.

But we can not defy the laws of physics and suddenly be able to fly because we develop magic superhuman powers of vision.

And no one will come to save us either.

Our national humilation will be total, if we don't acknowledge what is coming and stop.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3492426-Westministenders-Abbreviation
Brexit Abbreviation Thread

Factories can very rarely be closed down immediately, barring catastrophe

The owners will always try to get the most out of their sunken costs by running production right until the end of the current model cycles

Its not easy having a good time.
Even smiling makes my face ache.

We talk about parties as though they are "real" entities in their own right, rather than associations of people with similar views and aims. But the truth is that they have "become" entities by 1) coalescing around those individuals, their views and aims and 2) being set up as legal entities with structures, rules and objectives.
In some ways it's amazing that the two main parties, as they currently exist, have survived for so long and, more importantly, have survived despite the underlying tensions within them. That's because of FPTP and the disenfranchisement and apathy it engenders, plus the obvious benefits of status, preferment and financial advantage for those inside the parties, I think.
There are certainly enough people in the centre ground in politics to bring about a genuinely centrist, pragmatic party. The difficulty will be to get people to see the virtues of moderation and pragmatism in a country where confrontation is the norm and is whipped up by the media at every opportunity.

If you have any doubts, go back to what he was saying many years ago, before he dreamed of becoming leader.

Go back a few years ago and I used to think a variety of things I found out was a load of old bollocks, and I respectively say that I think youre talking bollocks on this BCF

He has always been a fervent Brexiter - he just had to hide it when he became leader of a mostly Remain party,

I think he is a reluctant remainer absolutely but be it on his own head if he isnt going to do what conference wanted and that goes for me also, I consider my self slightly unimpressed at the current indecisiveness

Honda wont be the last

There will be no Tories joining ' the 7'. They really do put their party first especially if labour splits even more because everyone wants to be on the winning side.

What’s a bit of anti-semitism and an attempt to hound you out of your job between friends eh? Just lie back and think of the party мой товарищ

Corbyn is a classic example of when people show you who they are believe them.
Did he not come out the day after the referendum and declare article 50 should be triggered immediately.
Even the conservatives weren't that stupid, although they have been making up for it since.
May is primarily responsible for the mess Brexit is in, Corbyn isn't far behind though. Both are putting party way in front of country.

DG I always thought she regarded the EU as a necessary evil that the UK had to keep

She hated the loss of "sovereignty" but realised that even back in the 1980s the UK could not run a completely independent trade policy
and that Brexit would be an economic disaster

We are of course far more interwined now than then,
as world trade has become ever more about grouping into trade blocs
and building ever more global and regional regulations binding them all.

Free trade - at external borders - requires a massive system of internal regulation
She knew that
Unfortunately the pygmies who followed her, don't

Poster I remember Corbyn since he became an MP in 1983

• yes, I was already an adult then

He was always of the hard left and was always against the EU / EEC / EC

Just lie back and think of the party мой товарищ

Thats the second time today my eyes have rolled so far back they rolled out of my head

It's worth bearing in my that my understanding of the UK/EEC relationship is that Ted Heath took us in to shaft Labour. That's certainly what I learned in later years. After all, we had no referendum on joining originally. Only a subsequent referendum (under a Labour government) on whether we should continue as members. A referendum with the electorate ignored the government and voted to stay.

For a group of people claiming they are leaving labour due in part to racism this is really not a very good start...

Independent Group hit by racism row after Angela Smith's comments on skin colour

Angela Smith was appearing on the BBC's Politics Live programme to talk about the new grouping in the House of Comons.

The former Labour MP appears to say: "It's not just about being black or a funny tinge..." before breaking off and commenting "from the BAME community".

She was speaking on the BBC's Politics Live programme in discussion about racism in British society.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/independent-group-hit-racism-row-14015437.amp?__twitter_impression=true

He was always of the hard left and was always against the EU / EEC / EC

Im not denying that BCF I just disagree with you that he's as set in stone as you think he is, if thats the case then why is it only him thats held to that?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47282603

Honda details

Pmk. Thanks red

Oh for goodness sake tatiana.

The difficulty will be to get people to see the virtues of moderation and pragmatism in a country where confrontation is the norm

...in a Parliament where confrontation is quite literally designed in (with the Chamber of 2 sides facing each other, 2 sword lengths apart and which is deliberately too small to encourage a febrile atmosphere).

...and where compromise is viewed as a dirty word and a sign of weakness.

Id have way more respect for them if they had come out and said that they dont agree in Labour policies anymore (que the 'why do you hate the disabled?' narrative hurled at them) and that they wanted to form a new centrist party, then god speed to them and kudos for trying but leaving because of... was always going to be problematic and I feel Angela Smith is just going to be the first the media start on

half of the world's net wealth belongs to the top 1%,

top 10% of adults hold 85%, while the bottom 90% hold the remaining 15% of the world's total wealth,

top 30% of adults hold 97% of the total wealth.

Us proles do not matter, the inner party make the money. The outer party support the top and insulate them from the bottom.
Big manufacturers shutting up shop is a minor inconvenience.
There is a lot of money to be laundered and a lot of arms to be sold to conflict zones.

I'd love the electoral system to be completely overhauled and the system that represents us to be radically shaken. However, at the end of the day money speaks, the people only get to speak when it helps the money.

My comments completely took out of context really makes me

I don't have film of Corbyn's early days as an MP, just my own memories from 1983 onwards when he became an MP - he was clearly trouble, but I never imagined anyone would let him run a bath, never mind a major party.

more recent video evidence of Corbyn's anti-EU views:

Includes surprisingly similar "European empire" bollocks to what the Tory hard right spout

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-more-footage-emerges-of-jeremy-corbyn-sharing-antieu-views-a4063916.html

2009: “I wish we were having a referendum in Britain"
Speking in Ireland on their Lisbon referendum:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-news-latest-remain-and-leave-politicians-mock-jeremy-corbyn-over-old-footage-of-labour-leader-a4058021.html

“If you succeed in getting a ‘no’ vote here, that will be such a boost to people like us, all over Europe, that do not want to live in a European empire of the 21st century.”

2010: Jeremy Corbyn called for European Union to be 'defeated' in explosive rally speech

https://talkradio.co.uk/news/exclusive-jeremy-corbyn-called-european-union-be-defeated-explosive-rally-speech-19021129836

Thats the second time today my eyes have rolled so far back they rolled out of my head

You’d rather she put up and shut up? And everyone turned a blind eye to anti-semitism?

DG No, I disagree completely about Ted Heath's motivations:

He was a lifelong fervent European and campaigned with those aims his entire political career
I heard him speak, at the 1975 ref rallies

He fought in Spain against the fascists
and then his experiences in WW2 led him, like many European leaders,
to believe that the Common Market (and later the EU) was essential to intertwine the European economies so closely that it would be impossible for them to go to war again against each other

You’d rather she put up and shut up? And everyone turned a blind eye to anti-semitism?

Im getting sick of putting my eyes back in