Will you be disappointed if Brexit goes smoothly

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Genuine question to the Preppers - how will you feel if Brexit goes through with no significant shortages or civil unrest? Will you heave a sigh of relief and sleep better at night, or feel a tiny bit flat and disappointed?

It's the slightly excited tone of some of the Prepper threads that has me wondering this. As if having a reason to hoard is fulfilling some squirrelesque instinct, which my be thwarted if the hoards prove unnecessary?

We’re not judgemental and we fully concede that we can’t argue with stupid.

"DH loves fried spam and rice...its Filipino childhood comfort food. I will stick to rice and dhal!"

Prefer a nice mouthful of gammon myself.
Far more classy

How desperate for attention are you exactly? Is there no one at home to pat you on the head?

I only like prosciutto - wins classiest award.

MSE is money saving expert, another forum. I don't think its very political.

Omg Calloway you're heartless

Thanks Camomila. I'll have a look. Don't think the apocalyptic spam hoarders are my kinda people.
Adios

Go well.

I've been lurking and following... I prep anyway. Desperately hoping for WA but looking less and less likely as the days go by.... anyway, I'll just leave this little gem hanging here. I know it's media scaremongering - but it's also fact!!!
metro.co.uk/2019/02/12/nhs-stockpiling-body-bags-prepare-no-deal-brexit-reveals-tory-minister-8574311/?ito=social&fbclid=IwAR0mxZuKGCu5T0MWCyCDs9Y31yzDtEVuY4CQ3b9PAHE1DXqC5-TGxZJe0jI

I believe body bags are sourced from the EU so bringing them over now will save some ferry space for food later when the ports clog up.

I really don't think that stockpiling body bags is because the government is wilfully planning for mass deaths. It seems to me sensible contingency planning in case they generally can't get them over here after Brexit.

Oh I'm sure you're right BadKitten - I just think Jaysus is this what Brexit has come to!? Stockpiling body bags! Bit of a metaphor for the whole sorry mess! We still rely on Europe to help us when we're not even here any more!!

I agree that I can't believe we've been reduced to worrying about this.

Even if it did miraculously go all smoothly, I reckon we are going to end up in recession simply because so many companies won't need to buy anything for ages.

We still rely on Europe to help us when we're not even here any more!!

"helping us?"

We import all kinds of goods from all over the globe. Just like we export goods all over the globe. It's called international trade. It's certainly not other countries "helping us". Whatever form Brexit takes, other countries will want to sell their stuff to us, whether inside the EU or outside the EU. They're not going to suddenly decide they don't want to sell us stuff anymore. Companies within the EU are putting a lot of pressure on the EU officials to ensure that they can still sell their goods to us.

I reckon we are going to end up in recession simply because so many companies won't need to buy anything for ages.

GDP is all about what we produce and what we sell. Nothing to do with what we buy at all. Companies selling off excess stocks won't cause a recession. If anything, companies having lots of stock and not having to import much temporarily after Brexit will improve our country's balance of payments - a good thing!

If people aren't buying then GDP falls surely.

If people aren't buying then GDP falls surely.

I was responding to you saying companies not buying.

We import all kinds of goods from all over the globe.

We have very little in the way of trade deals lined up so far and the China one isn't going too well. We will lose negotiating power as will not be in a bloc of nations.

Without the trade deals we have to fall back on WTO and eye watering tarriffs with the downside of our own industries like farming and ceramics getting wiped.

www.globalpolicyjournal.com/blog/06/09/2018/no-deal-seven-reasons-why-wto-only-brexit-would-be-bad-britain

ukandeu.ac.uk/explainers/no-deal-the-wto-option/

I don't think Armageddon will happen in the case of a no deal Brexit, there will likely be some provisionary agreements put in place quickly so I don't expect widespread food shortages but prices will rise almost certainly.

I think the real danger is in the short term thinking of people, everyone will be so relieved to averted disaster that they won't realise we have now entered a period where the EU will have immense power over the UK if there's no deal. I agree with Tom Kibasi, the director of the Institute for Public Policy Research, and founder and chair of the IPPR Commission on Economic Justice:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/07/no-deal-brexit-medieval-siege-eu-britain-industries

We import good from all over the globe as E.U. members often using E.U./third country trade deals. Given that many of these deals are on "favoured nation" basis, it will not be straightforward to reproduce them across the board. Deal via E.U. generally means there is a gold standard trade deal in place that signatories are not allowed to "improve on".
And why would you agree a deal that doesn't take into account how desperate the other side is? The other side being us, post- Brexit.
But at least we get our blue passports back. Which I have used before (what with being old) and it was pretty "meh".

And why would you agree a deal that doesn't take into account how desperate the other side is? The other side being us, post- Brexit.

Countries wanting to continue selling their goods into the UK will be pretty desperate for that to continue too!

Many of them will have alternatives. We have no alternative.

But if our economy tanks and we are desperate, they can get a better deal and a better price. Odd that you think screwing with the economy puts us in a position of strength for negotiations.
No point selling good to people who can't afford to buy them. Better off finding people who can in, I dunno, the great big trading bloc next door.

Where is better to sell your mass market goods? Little-Whinging-By-The-Water village shop or Tesco on the bypass?

Like Kazzyhoward, I was depressed by how crap the response was during/after Storm Desmond (suspect we live in the same place). I also went out and bought a camping stove, gas, lanterns etc straight afterwards as it was grim.

I'll be very relieved if all goes smoothly, but I don't think we'll be able to say that is has been fine for a good few years after it happens. Even if there's no drastic effect immediately, I can't see how prices won't go up, jobs won't be lost (they already are) and people won't suffer. I'm reliant on UC and I can't see them upping the monthly allowance due to rising food, fuel and other basics living costs. It's impossible toanage on as it is now! So I think we'll see a lot more vulnerable people using food banks (will people donate as much when their money has to stretch further?) or starving to the point of malnourishment /death over the next few years. And the programmes funding by the European social fund won't be fully replaced so they'll have even fewer options to access help.

I'm dreading it, so I don't think having a few shelves of tins, jars and pasta in my cellar is an overreaction.

I don't consider myself a "prepper" but am making sure we have some reserve. We saw first hand up here how a minor blip in the supply lines (due to weather) can seriously impact food supplies. So when winter hits now, we always make sure our cupboards are full just in case.

If it all goes well then it just means we have less shopping to do until we run it down again.

It's ridiculous to suggest those preparing themselves will be disappointed if it all goes ok. The potential impacts go far beyond just having some food shortages, so of course I am hoping for a smooth transition.