Who thinks there should be another referendum

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Who thinks there should be another referendum?
My mum says there shouldn't but my husband says there should be I'm not very sure.

What do u think?

The longer we carry on having our political debate hijacked by Brexit uncertainty, the longer we postpone addressing the very real issues underlying the Leave vote.

Mother
29% of people polled by Sky last month thought that "No Deal" meant "Stay in the EU"

Please do not EVER underestimate how uninformed and disconnected a huge part of the population are from the whole thing

I can genuinely see Leave winning by a bigger margin if there was another vote
because people are angry and fed up

We know so much more now. This is also true a few months after every general election we've ever had.

A second referendum was a LibDem position at the last GE. If people really wanted one, they [Lib Dem's] would have not been crushed.

Mother
The UK is a representative democracy rather than a direct democracy
Referendums only work when people are used to them and understand them. (eg Switzerland and States in the USA that have them every two years on specific issues)
The UK has no track record for them.

No, if there was an appetite for a second referendum, people would have gotten behind Clegg at the last GE and voted LibDem to get one, regardless of his past.

Just the same as those of us that will hold our noses and vote for May or Corbyn at the next GE...

TalkinPeace - yes, but unfortunately a large part of the electorate doesn’t appear to understand that the U.K. is not a direct democracy!

Mother - no, it really isn’t “just semantics”. It’s the whole way our country functions that is very poorly understood.

Definitely. People are much more informed now

a non binding, advisory one Can you tell us where you basing this claim on?

No it’s not. It’s vitally important to understand the mechanics of our democracy at every step of the way and, if there were misunderstandings in the past, to clear them up.

All they have to do is to scrap the whole thing and call it "New Deal". A couple of neat soundbytes to repeat and people will be delighted with it - guaranteed!
It even sounds close enough to "No Deal" for people to think that's what they wanted all along.

You are probably right Tanith. What we need is better PR 😢

No, if there was an appetite for a second referendum, people would have gotten behind Clegg at the last GE and voted LibDem to get one, regardless of his past.
It's all very well saying things like this, but with our FPTP system, there is little chance of the LibDems getting a sniff at power because they can't win enough constituences. I live in a seat that has been Tory since the constituency boundaries were drawn up in 1945. Prior to that it was in a different constituency (since 1918) and was Tory through that entire period. In the past 101 years, we've had four MPs - all Tory. The problem with this, for non-Tory supporters is that you end up voting tactically, whereas in swing seats your vote can genuinely make a difference. I'm hoping that Brexit may also see the end of the FPTP system, but I somehow think not. FPTP in constituencies like mine also affect young people's willingness to vote, as they see their votes change nothing.
At the last election, it would have been pointless for most of us to vote LibDem, particularly when there are other major issues to consider apart from Brexit, eg the NHS. The day we get some sort of proportional representation is the day our votes will really count. In the meantime, we can look forward to Tory/Labour ad nauseum.

No, the majority voted to leave and that's exactly what should be happening.

Well, leesmum, it could still be happening even with the vote, if the majority still think leaving is a good idea given everything we now know about the lies we were told and the best available deal. So I don't know why you would object to a second referendum.

leesmum Do you think it should be happening regardless of the damage to economy/businesses/food supply chains, etc? Really interested to hear your arguments for this...

I dont think i have to argue for anything, we can't decide to have another vote purely because some people have since changed their minds.

Why not?

I dont think i have to argue for anything, we can't decide to have another vote purely because some people have since changed their minds.
Yes, we can. It's called democracy. And it's not about people changing their minds; it's about people being better informed after watching the nonsense of the past two and a half years and being asked to vote on the terms of the deal. (Although it seems some people are NOT better informed and are just wedded to the old 'leave means leave' nonsense...)
Anyway, what's wrong with people changing their minds? People do it every day. (eg. I'm going to buy this house... whoops, dodgy survey report... I'm going to pull out...)

FPTP is no longer fit for purpose in the UK

I admit I do not "get" the anger at the LibDems
they moderated the Tories massively during the coalition years
the Brexit vote was the result of their influence being taken away