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Westminstenders: It's oh so quiet...

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RedToothBrush · 04/02/2019 15:14

It's oh so quiet // It's oh so still // You're all alone // And so peaceful until

You ring the news // Bim bam // You shout and you yell // Hi ho ho // You broke the spell // Gee, this is swell you almost have a fit // Brexit is fab and I got hit // There's no mistake get on with it

'Til it's over and then // It's nice and quiet //
Shh shh // But soon again // Shh shh // Uh oh let's start a big riot

You blow a fuse // Zing boom // The devil cuts loose // Zing boom // What's the use
Wow bam // Of leaving the EU

It's gone quiet.

May was supposed to go on a tour of the EU to get concessions. She hasn't.

Instead we are currently stuck in an internal never ending debate about Alternative Arrangements (which is being abbreved too A. A. by less convinced souls) and how Germany got all the money from Marshall Aid (it didn't) and how navy ships can suddenly sprout front opening hulls to become roll on roll off ferries to emulate the spirit of Dunkirk. One of our greatest ever military defeats, which merely had good PR.

The idea that there is going to be any shift in position between now and 14th Feb seems unlikely. It suits the EU and it suits the ERG to be blunt about it. It does not suit the UK national interest though.

Instead our livihoods and futures are slowly drip, drip, dripping away. Invisible to those loved up on the idea of Leaving. But like a newly wed, how long does that feeling last? 42% of British marriages end in divorce after all. When do people fall out of love with Brexit?

The revelation of the need for the WAIB is scary too. The WAIB is the Withdrawal Agreement Implementation Bill. You can read more about it here:
threadreaderapp.com/thread/1091734003265224708.html
Well I say you can read about it, but from the thread you can see that the WAIB hasn't been published yet. And for us to Brexit without a legal and constitutional nightmare parliament needs to pass both the WA And the WAIB. And if you thought it was difficult to get the WA through just wait until you clap eyes on the WAIB details.

With this in mind there are noises from the ERG about an A50 extension. Y'know the one we can't have unless the EU think it's it their interests too.

mlexmarketinsight.com/insights-center/editors-picks/brexit/europe/the-uk-rips-out-its-eu-law-drip,-only-to-hook-up-to-another
More on the WAIB.

Of course there is a more sinister explanation: May does indeed intend to no deal and or use civil contingency law to pass the WAIB in whatever form she sees fit without parliamentary scrutiny.

Tick, tick, tick.

A friend told me today not to worry about brexit as "we survived before and we'll survive again". I didn't say much. My history lessons were rather grimmer in reminding me, that the ones who didn't survive don't get to be so optimistic.

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Missbel · 06/02/2019 18:34

catfromjapan I've just read through this thread after a long day out - so am a bit late picking up on your wonderfully expressed - and entirely deserved - invective about Corbyn. Betrayal is the word - I don't think much of May but at least she's tried to cobble something together (not sure what, since she seems to keep changing her mind, but there we go...) Corbyn is a vacuum.

prettybird · 06/02/2019 18:36

I agree. I can't fault what Tusk said. Every word was carefully considered.

He's not damning those that voted Leave. He's wondering about damning those that promoted Brexit without even the sketch of a plan, ie negligently promoted it, without the slightest idea of how to do it safely Angry

Those Brexiters choices are verging on the criminal SadAngry

Grinchly · 06/02/2019 18:38

DGR thank you for the spinal tap video. So so funny. And the parallels are uncannyGrin

Loved the other bit when the band eventually stride on stage and find the set designer has miscalculated the size so they are prancing around a miniature Stonehenge.

I needed that laugh today!

DGRossetti · 06/02/2019 18:38

I was delighted by Tusk's comments. Backs all of us in the UK who have been saying the same thing.

Not quite sure that's exactly what he was doing Hmm

DGRossetti · 06/02/2019 18:39

thank you for the spinal tap video. So so funny

... thing is, you can't dust for vomit ..

ChiaraRimini · 06/02/2019 18:43

Another vote for Tusk here.

SusanWalker · 06/02/2019 18:43

It's alright, no need to panic Andrea has a plan. 😂

Andrea Jenkyns MP #StandUp4Brexit
Andrea Jenkyns MP #StandUp4Brexit
@andreajenkyns
Mr Tusk, we have a plan! We are not restricted in our Little EU'er mentality. Bring on Global Britain, we will embrace Global Free trade. Whilst you will continue to see the inflexible EU trading bloc in collective, perpetual decline.

prettybird · 06/02/2019 18:49

....and we'll pretend that MFN clauses don't exist so even if ( big if Wink) the UK negotiates better terms with any country with whom the EU already has a deal, then the EU will automatically benefit from them Confused

1tisILeClerc · 06/02/2019 18:50

It is almost worth going up to Brussels to hang a note on the door for Theresa's meeting tomorrow saying 'gone fishing'.
Oh the outrage on SKY news website report of Mr Tusks comments, the fact that he is correct and the UK have NO publishable plan, and haven't had for 2 1/2 years.

GD12 · 06/02/2019 18:50

Small thing but... Roaming charges to return overnight in the EU in the event of a no deal

twitter.com/jessbrammar/status/1093219221897703425?s=19

PerverseConverse · 06/02/2019 18:51

I wonder what the end result of her trip to Brussels tomorrow will be? "No" I imagine!

whenthewhistleblows · 06/02/2019 18:53

So, there was a Conservative party political broadcast on just earlier. Am I clutching at straws or is this the smell of a general election in the air?

BiglyBadgers · 06/02/2019 18:55

DH and I are definitely team Tusk. I'm relieved to finally hear someone come out and say it because it is all true. Guy Verhofstadt's comment is also rather fabulous. I particularly liked the smiley face at the end Wink

I am still not convinced the WA will get through. I am expecting no deal now.

1tisILeClerc · 06/02/2019 18:56

GD12
I thought that although the legislation will change, it was left to the phone operators to decide if and when roaming charges are changed.
When it was suggested months back the major players said they were not intending to but it will depend on them now rather than legislation.

derxa · 06/02/2019 18:57

Tusk is right He may be right but he seems like a horrid little man. His comments have spurred on the rabid leavers.

prettybird · 06/02/2019 18:58

Truth hurts Hmm

1tisILeClerc · 06/02/2019 18:58

I can 'see' Mrs May storming into Brussels with an outraged expression and speech, and the EU representatives standing calmly and saying,,,,'And'?

SwedishEdith · 06/02/2019 18:59

The rabid leavers have always been touchy. He's hit a nerve, that's why.

1tisILeClerc · 06/02/2019 19:01

{He may be right but he seems like a horrid little man. His comments have spurred on the rabid leavers.}
2 1/2 years of the UK insulting and deliberately causing Billions of Euros to be wasted across Europe and you pick on the first EU rep to speak up?

derxa · 06/02/2019 19:03

2 1/2 years of the UK insulting and deliberately causing Billions of Euros to be wasted across Europe and you pick on the first EU rep to speak up? Precisely what did he hope to achieve?

BiglyBadgers · 06/02/2019 19:05

He may be right but he seems like a horrid little man. His comments have spurred on the rabid leavers.

The rabid leavers are already rabid so no change there.

To me he seems like someone who actually gives a shit about the people who are going to suffer because of the actions of those who orchestrated this mess, which is far more than I can say for most of those in power in our government right now.

prettybird · 06/02/2019 19:07

....that maybe the people with their heads stuck firmly in the sand finally realise that there are consequences for their choices? Hmm

Because up until now, being polite and diplomatic has just meant that they keep on thinking that the EU will just capitulate at the last minute.Confused

I think that if anything, the EU has been too patient Shock

foggyuplands · 06/02/2019 19:08

Maybe he wanted to highlight the ever increasing risk on ending up with a no deal.
Maybe he wanted to highlight to moderates in both main parties that with their leaders both wanting Brexit it is going to happen, so agreeing to the WA is better than the alternative.
Maybe he had just had enough of the double speak and nonsense coming out of the UK.
Maybe he fancied speaking the truth.

PestyMachtubernahme · 06/02/2019 19:08

Tusk has a frightful soft spot for Brits. He is also very professional and hopefully quite ruthless when required.
The UK is costing the EU a fortune with this dilly dally approach.

LonelyandTiredandLow · 06/02/2019 19:09

prettybird exactly - we've frothed at them for so long and they've been very diplomatic in response. This has at last made it very clear that they've washed their hands of it all and are moving on. Leavers thinking they will bow down at the last minute are upset that their Master Plan appears not to be working.

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