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Westminstenders: It's oh so quiet...

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RedToothBrush · 04/02/2019 15:14

It's oh so quiet // It's oh so still // You're all alone // And so peaceful until

You ring the news // Bim bam // You shout and you yell // Hi ho ho // You broke the spell // Gee, this is swell you almost have a fit // Brexit is fab and I got hit // There's no mistake get on with it

'Til it's over and then // It's nice and quiet //
Shh shh // But soon again // Shh shh // Uh oh let's start a big riot

You blow a fuse // Zing boom // The devil cuts loose // Zing boom // What's the use
Wow bam // Of leaving the EU

It's gone quiet.

May was supposed to go on a tour of the EU to get concessions. She hasn't.

Instead we are currently stuck in an internal never ending debate about Alternative Arrangements (which is being abbreved too A. A. by less convinced souls) and how Germany got all the money from Marshall Aid (it didn't) and how navy ships can suddenly sprout front opening hulls to become roll on roll off ferries to emulate the spirit of Dunkirk. One of our greatest ever military defeats, which merely had good PR.

The idea that there is going to be any shift in position between now and 14th Feb seems unlikely. It suits the EU and it suits the ERG to be blunt about it. It does not suit the UK national interest though.

Instead our livihoods and futures are slowly drip, drip, dripping away. Invisible to those loved up on the idea of Leaving. But like a newly wed, how long does that feeling last? 42% of British marriages end in divorce after all. When do people fall out of love with Brexit?

The revelation of the need for the WAIB is scary too. The WAIB is the Withdrawal Agreement Implementation Bill. You can read more about it here:
threadreaderapp.com/thread/1091734003265224708.html
Well I say you can read about it, but from the thread you can see that the WAIB hasn't been published yet. And for us to Brexit without a legal and constitutional nightmare parliament needs to pass both the WA And the WAIB. And if you thought it was difficult to get the WA through just wait until you clap eyes on the WAIB details.

With this in mind there are noises from the ERG about an A50 extension. Y'know the one we can't have unless the EU think it's it their interests too.

mlexmarketinsight.com/insights-center/editors-picks/brexit/europe/the-uk-rips-out-its-eu-law-drip,-only-to-hook-up-to-another
More on the WAIB.

Of course there is a more sinister explanation: May does indeed intend to no deal and or use civil contingency law to pass the WAIB in whatever form she sees fit without parliamentary scrutiny.

Tick, tick, tick.

A friend told me today not to worry about brexit as "we survived before and we'll survive again". I didn't say much. My history lessons were rather grimmer in reminding me, that the ones who didn't survive don't get to be so optimistic.

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SalrycLuxx · 06/02/2019 16:41

It’s not a link hesta.

LonelyandTiredandLow · 06/02/2019 17:05

See also 'We got through the war'!

Cailleach1 · 06/02/2019 17:10

If there are to be shortages of anything (food, medicine, lorry passes etc.) it would only be right and proper for Brexiteers and Leavers to do without first as they made it happen.

People who caused it would insist on owning their mess if they had any integrity. You know the people who go on about the lack of integrity in the EU? People who think it 's smart rather than pitiful when they spread things like Junker into Drunker etc. Who have spread mistruths or broke rules around this referendum.

We've moving onto their sh*t show now. You break it, you buy it.

RedToothBrush · 06/02/2019 17:11

Alex Wickham @alexwickham
AAWG ERG ARGH: Alternative Arrangements Working Group descends into acrimony over cancelled Northern Ireland trip as ERG splits on the Malthouse Compromise
www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/alexwickham/aawg-erg-argh?__twitter_impression=true
The “Malthouse Compromise” Has Descended Into Acrimony Amid A Cancelled Trip To Northern Ireland And A Split Among Brexiteers
AAWG? ERG? ARGH!

AAWG was meant to visit Northern Ireland today to meet businesses, security officials and visit the border.

But three sources say the trip was called off after ERG feared a “Project O’Fear” No10 stitch up

Big new fallout between Brexiteers and ministers

🚨 Now a serious ERG split on Malthouse

One faction has hardened its position. It used to support a time-limit, now says that's not enough. Was thought to number about two dozen MPs. Now double that

Another faction thinks ERG has to compromise to avoid CU

Senior Brexiteer says Malthouse is a "sticking plaster" over a deeply divided ERG. "I do think the group will split. People like Bernard Jenkin will end up voting for the deal. It’s like Che Guevara going to live in a retirement home in Florida."

ERG split plus Labour Leavers = enough for May to get the WA over the line next week.

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IalwayswantedtobeBeth · 06/02/2019 17:12

I agree with Tusk - just saying.

DGRossetti · 06/02/2019 17:13

We're moving into the next phase of abuse, really ...

Look what you made me do ! will be the siren wail of Leavers.

Since we (I Hmm) have already been accused of being "nasty", it won't do any harm to speculate on the correlation - if any - between abusive partners (let's face it, mainly men) and Brexiteers ? Intuitively, I'd say high, but I would be happy to be proved wrong.

Cailleach1 · 06/02/2019 17:15

I recall some very strange conversation from Peter Bone as a member of one of the Select Committees. He was insinuating he had done international trade deals. However it seemed to consist of being in the canteen of the Welsh Assembly.

I could try and look it up, but I don't want any more exposure to him.

DGRossetti · 06/02/2019 17:17

The “Malthouse Compromise” Has Descended Into Acrimony Amid A Cancelled Trip To Northern Ireland And A Split Among Brexiteers

His spellchecker needs fixing. It's corrected "farce" into "Acrimony".

Unless he was talking about that well known purgative "Antimony" ?

DGRossetti · 06/02/2019 17:18

Senior Brexiteer says Malthouse is a "sticking plaster" over a deeply divided ERG.

Who else is feeling slightly cheered ?

Jericho1 · 06/02/2019 17:20

Ross Thomson, MP for Aberdeen South, was escorted away after reports of 'sexual touching

stv.tv/news/politics/1435315-scots-tory-mp-led-away-by-police-from-commons-bar/

DGRossetti · 06/02/2019 17:20

ERG split plus Labour Leavers = enough for May to get the WA over the line next week.

I'm picturing JRM being told in future that % of parliament voted for the WA, so it must be the Brexit people wanted.

RedToothBrush · 06/02/2019 17:22

Who else is feeling slightly cheered ?

It was only a matter of time.

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BigChocFrenzy · 06/02/2019 17:23

hesta Don't you realise that is a parody account, created by a Leave supporter ? Confused

I could just as easily create a fake account for JRM or Boris Johnson and make it say what I want,
e.g. laughing while they boil kittens alive

It would be FAKE, like the FAKE account you keep posting

Hazards · 06/02/2019 17:24

DG you nasty MNetter Wink I was cautioning myself not to think about it because of my background I thought I would be instinctively biased but as your said it...high, really fucking high i imagine.

RedToothBrush · 06/02/2019 17:27

Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
An unpopular view in Westminster, but @eucopresident is right - and all good Brexiteers (as well as Remainers) should agree with him. Here's why... (1)

The Leave campaign took the conscious decision at the start of the #EUref campaign in 2016 to keep both their definition of Brexit and any plan to deliver it vague (2)

Why? So that they wouldn't fall into Alex Salmond's trap during the #indyref of getting killed on the detail. @matthew_elliott confirmed this at the time, and it was a masterful strategy that worked (3)

The downside is, as we all now know, Britain has spent the subsequent 2 and a half years tearing itself apart over exactly what the 17.4m who voted for Brexit want from it (4)

That, or a fair amount of it, could have been avoided if @BorisJohnson and others had argued on detail rather than sentiment, and we may well not be in this mess now (5)

Two caveats: 1. some more honourable leavers, who knew a bit more about the EU, did try to argue on detail (eg @DanielJHannan or @chhcalling) but they received little attention from voters/us the media at the time (6)

Caveat 2 - consigning them to hell is a tad strong. Two and half years in purgatory is a more fitting punishment. Here endeth the thread (7)

Just to remind you that's Tom Newton Dunn of The Sun agreeing with Donald Tusk...

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BigChocFrenzy · 06/02/2019 17:27

At least this split may help avoid No Deal.

We've been landed in this mess because the Leave side has been hoeplessly split from the beginning,
initially ERG vs Lexiters

and then within the ERG those that were for tax evasion & vulture capitalism vs the batshit nationalists vs the Atlantic Bridge mob wanting to be a US colony.

BigChocFrenzy · 06/02/2019 17:28

cross-post !

Cailleach1 · 06/02/2019 17:30

OMG, it is never ending. These people who got where they are by croneyism doth protest too much.

The man who tweeted about women's breasts and bottoms, and about masturbating to images of starving children, is clutching his pearls

twitter.com/StevePeers/status/1093149576553549824

BigChocFrenzy · 06/02/2019 17:31

They should be sentenced to 2.5 years on UC in a grotty bedsit owned by one of their rapacious mates
starting with zero money & possessions

no private healthcare, no gym, subsidised bars etc
having to show they are looking for work and being sanctioned when they miss an appointment.

DGRossetti · 06/02/2019 17:34

consigning them to hell is a tad strong. Two and half years in purgatory is a more fitting punishment

Fuck off. The damage they've done. The lives they've ruined. The jobs, the security lost for a generation. The climate of machismo extremism which quite possibly cost Jo Cox (RI) her life.

Hell is too good for them.

BigChocFrenzy · 06/02/2019 17:34

The fury over Tusks remarks about a place in hell,
after UK govt ministers like Hunt use insults comparing EU politicians to Nazis and the USSR

Brexiters dish out the most vicious personal insults, but can't take even a much milder version back.

DGRossetti · 06/02/2019 17:35

DG you nasty MNetter wink I was cautioning myself not to think about it because of my background I thought I would be instinctively biased but as your said it...high, really fucking high i imagine.

Well shouty bullies who can't be challenged and just "know" they are right. Check one.

PestyMachtubernahme · 06/02/2019 17:35

Talking of Guy twitter

Well, I doubt Lucifer would welcome them, as after what they did to Britain, they would even manage to divide hell 🙂

Westminstenders: It's oh so quiet...
FingerKFCLicking · 06/02/2019 17:39

Cromwell once offered Hell as a destination to the Irish.

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