Westminstenders: It's oh so quiet...

[RedToothBrush]

It's oh so quiet // It's oh so still // You're all alone // And so peaceful until

You ring the news // Bim bam // You shout and you yell // Hi ho ho // You broke the spell // Gee, this is swell you almost have a fit // Brexit is fab and I got hit // There's no mistake get on with it

'Til it's over and then // It's nice and quiet //
Shh shh // But soon again // Shh shh // Uh oh let's start a big riot

You blow a fuse // Zing boom // The devil cuts loose // Zing boom // What's the use
Wow bam // Of leaving the EU

It's gone quiet.

May was supposed to go on a tour of the EU to get concessions. She hasn't.

Instead we are currently stuck in an internal never ending debate about Alternative Arrangements (which is being abbreved too A. A. by less convinced souls) and how Germany got all the money from Marshall Aid (it didn't) and how navy ships can suddenly sprout front opening hulls to become roll on roll off ferries to emulate the spirit of Dunkirk. One of our greatest ever military defeats, which merely had good PR.

The idea that there is going to be any shift in position between now and 14th Feb seems unlikely. It suits the EU and it suits the ERG to be blunt about it. It does not suit the UK national interest though.

Instead our livihoods and futures are slowly drip, drip, dripping away. Invisible to those loved up on the idea of Leaving. But like a newly wed, how long does that feeling last? 42% of British marriages end in divorce after all. When do people fall out of love with Brexit?

The revelation of the need for the WAIB is scary too. The WAIB is the Withdrawal Agreement Implementation Bill. You can read more about it here:
threadreaderapp.com/thread/1091734003265224708.html
Well I say you can read about it, but from the thread you can see that the WAIB hasn't been published yet. And for us to Brexit without a legal and constitutional nightmare parliament needs to pass both the WA And the WAIB. And if you thought it was difficult to get the WA through just wait until you clap eyes on the WAIB details.

With this in mind there are noises from the ERG about an A50 extension. Y'know the one we can't have unless the EU think it's it their interests too.

mlexmarketinsight.com/insights-center/editors-picks/brexit/europe/the-uk-rips-out-its-eu-law-drip,-only-to-hook-up-to-another
More on the WAIB.

Of course there is a more sinister explanation: May does indeed intend to no deal and or use civil contingency law to pass the WAIB in whatever form she sees fit without parliamentary scrutiny.

Tick, tick, tick.

A friend told me today not to worry about brexit as "we survived before and we'll survive again". I didn't say much. My history lessons were rather grimmer in reminding me, that the ones who didn't survive don't get to be so optimistic.

The most revealing part of Tusk’s press conference wasn’t about Brexiteers going to hell

He - and probably the EU Commission & leaders - have given up on hoping Tory Remainer rebels like Soubry gaining enough HoC support
and given up on Labour doing anything at all

Time has run out

So, pushing for a Brexit with least pain and the closest possible relationship afterwards, not the ERG Minfordian dystopia.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/02/the-most-revealing-part-of-tusks-press-conference-wasnt-about-brexiteers-going-to-hell/amp/?

This is significant.
Up until now, there has been a belief among lead figures in the EU and at the Commission – including Tusk – that if they pushed the UK far enough, the result would not be no deal but a second referendum where Remain would win.
....
It seems that the past few weeks of votes in the Commons and statements from Labour – have finally been enough to show Brussels that – for now – Remain is not a likely option. Instead, a majority in the Commons want the UK to leave the EU at the end of March – preferably with a deal. It follows that despite the anger from Tusk and his hell comments, today could actually mark a turning point for the negotiations.

Hesta. We're leaving. You won. Get over it.

Own it.

Don't do the displacement activity thing of pretending you still have to fight for it, or it will be snatched away.

It's coming.

Don't bother trying to gaslight us: we know - and, God help you, you know - it's going to be an economic shit show for the UK.

You need to stop.

And start telling us why you slashed and burned the UK.

Because that is what your friends and neighbours are going to be asking you for the next fifty years.

So get cracking on that.

Anything else is just doodling.

Hesta54
If remain had won, would you have stopped campaigning for leave
as you had lost?
Or would you have demanded another vote?

Do you think the HoC should get another vote next week or should they just stop working and accept the result of past votes?

Should general elections be cancelled because we've had one and it put the DUP in power?

Please can we stop this nonsense about advisory,

translation

'please can we stop with this inconvenient truth'

The proven illegalities are 'nonsense' too no doubt.

Is there any way to PM on the Mumsnet phone app?

I'm so sick of the whining Leavers. Sick to the back teeth of their victim complex.

jasjas1973. I think you're totally right. Not even the arch brexiteers who have been campaigning for years had any clue about how difficult it would be. I certainly don't think TM did.

I would be the first to say I did not know either at the time of the ref.

I voted remain because I believe in being part of a team, that our past and future are inevitably entwined with continental Europe because of geography and a shared way of looking at things.

Because i live in an area that has had massive amounts of funding from the EU, in fact once we were poor enough to need objective one funding, and my area has changed so much for the better because of it.

Because I did european studies as part of my degree and could see the benefits from shared laws, like clean beaches. After all no point keeping your coast clean if a load of shit from someone else's is going to wash up on it.

I didn't vote remain because of JiT or NI.

But it was their job to know that stuff and they didn't and still don't. And they should be held accountable for that.

I am still a labour member. I joined after Corbyn, so they probably think I joined because of him, but I actually joined so I could vote him out at the next ballot.

DH is currently doing his last few days of work from home before leaving his job due to his boss feeling threatened by him after she spent the last 4 months using office politics and other staff members to be obstructive. The basic problem is that DH knows the technical stuff and she does not. And he kept on pointing out her lack of knowledge. This is kind of a problem given its literally his job to come up with technical solutions that work and she's knows nothing about IT. Her arse covering to hide her lack of ability has been something else. He has been held in high asteem by pretty much everyone else at the company.

DH is currently laughing about the car crash which is about to engulf the firm. Its not just him leaving. Half the decent IT staff handed in their notice the same week. None of them realised the others were doing so.

To me it sums up the whole issue engulfing the UK at present. People promoted above their ability and using politics to hide the fact that they are utterly shit at their jobs. Whilst blaming all the people who are asking the right questions and are genuinely good at their jobs in the process.

I think that culturally, we are particularly prone to it, because of a problem with the attitude of hierachy and 'not getting ideas above your station' and how we don't say things straight and are remarkably two faced whilst we think we are being polite.

I don't know. The whole 'we've had enough of experts' thing sums up so much. And its ironic that Gove out of everyone, seems to have realised the catatrophic error.

TalkinPeece It might surprise you but if remain had won, I personally would have just carried on with my life, knowing that the EU division would just carry on in Parliament and in life

the whole issue engulfing the UK at present. People promoted above their ability and using politics to hide the fact that they are utterly shit at their jobs. Whilst blaming all the people who are asking the right questions and are genuinely good at their jobs in the process.

ABSOLUTELY this.

thecatfromjapan I’ve never said that, I’m just amassed that the majority of people can not accept the result, in over 65 years I have never seen anything like it,
In my area my friends and neighbors were more likely to vote leave and many cannot understand why the vote was so close

Sammy Wilson MP @eastantrimmp
My response to the devilish, trident wielding, euro maniac, Donald Tusk

The EU have accepted No Deal will be the outcome. So I'm not sure what Sammy's problem actually is...

British politics, left and right, is populated with arrogant half-wits.

Hesta54
Fair enough. Farage said he'd ignore any vote less than 55:45 and fight on. Was he wrong to say that ?

Bubastes Sorry I don’t get what you mean, it seems the only people whining are the likes of yourself,

{TalkinPeece
It might surprise you but if remain had won, I personally would have just carried on with my life, knowing that the EU division would just carry on in Parliament and in life}

Instead, at your insistence half the UK , well actually all the UK is going to suffer unnecessarily. You should be hanging your head in shame.

You can tell a leave a mile off these days. They talk about how we will survive cos we've always survived.

The trouble is that there are too many in the ERG who are social darwinists who think that anyone who doesn't earn over £80,000 is surplus to societies requirements. And want to implement social change which reflects this idea.

The outcome isn't consistent with the surviving mantra.

TalkinPeece In my honest opinion, the vote should have never gone to the public without some rules attached, min turnout, min 60% to vote to leave, I understand why DC done it, but I don’t understand why they didn’t expect or prepare for a leave win

Hesta54 Implementing the referendum result has helped this country lose 1000s of jobs already, plus seen the departure of significant amount of the FS sector.
The plans for no-deal (by the pro leave govt) are very extreme and costly.

The public, in good faith, voted to leave but that decision is looking unwise, it is there incumbent on the Govt to halt his action, at the very least a postponement until we are sure of a way ahead.

As my Gran used to say Act in haste, repent at leisure

Hesta54
In my honest opinion, the vote should have never gone to the public without some rules attached, min turnout, min 60% to vote to leave,
So you agree that such a poor decision should be ignored ?

1tisILeClerc Why ? I didn’t vote the Tory’s in should over 40+. % people who did hang their heads in shame
I think you will find I haven’t got that much power

Please can we stop this nonsense about advisory

Yeah, just gloss over the fact that the law allowing the referendum to be held was passed on the basis that it was advisory only and therefore could be ignored if circumstances demanded.

James Patrick tweeted the other wk/day that a WA which ended with no deal is the worse option. Throw us into the sea when we're as strong as can be or throw us into the sea after two years of weakening. just don't throw us into the sea

No deal shock has the slightly deluded optimism of a quick re join because everything is awful. WA has the slightly deluded optimism of a CU/SM because we have two years to negotiate.

It's just shite.

Bubastes Sorry I don’t get what you mean, it seems the only people whining are the likes of yourself,

I'm guessing there's a lot you 'don't get'.

TalkinPeece No you cannot now the people have voted, what sort of democratic country are we if we don’t act like one,