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Westminstenders: It's oh so quiet...

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RedToothBrush · 04/02/2019 15:14

It's oh so quiet // It's oh so still // You're all alone // And so peaceful until

You ring the news // Bim bam // You shout and you yell // Hi ho ho // You broke the spell // Gee, this is swell you almost have a fit // Brexit is fab and I got hit // There's no mistake get on with it

'Til it's over and then // It's nice and quiet //
Shh shh // But soon again // Shh shh // Uh oh let's start a big riot

You blow a fuse // Zing boom // The devil cuts loose // Zing boom // What's the use
Wow bam // Of leaving the EU

It's gone quiet.

May was supposed to go on a tour of the EU to get concessions. She hasn't.

Instead we are currently stuck in an internal never ending debate about Alternative Arrangements (which is being abbreved too A. A. by less convinced souls) and how Germany got all the money from Marshall Aid (it didn't) and how navy ships can suddenly sprout front opening hulls to become roll on roll off ferries to emulate the spirit of Dunkirk. One of our greatest ever military defeats, which merely had good PR.

The idea that there is going to be any shift in position between now and 14th Feb seems unlikely. It suits the EU and it suits the ERG to be blunt about it. It does not suit the UK national interest though.

Instead our livihoods and futures are slowly drip, drip, dripping away. Invisible to those loved up on the idea of Leaving. But like a newly wed, how long does that feeling last? 42% of British marriages end in divorce after all. When do people fall out of love with Brexit?

The revelation of the need for the WAIB is scary too. The WAIB is the Withdrawal Agreement Implementation Bill. You can read more about it here:
threadreaderapp.com/thread/1091734003265224708.html
Well I say you can read about it, but from the thread you can see that the WAIB hasn't been published yet. And for us to Brexit without a legal and constitutional nightmare parliament needs to pass both the WA And the WAIB. And if you thought it was difficult to get the WA through just wait until you clap eyes on the WAIB details.

With this in mind there are noises from the ERG about an A50 extension. Y'know the one we can't have unless the EU think it's it their interests too.

mlexmarketinsight.com/insights-center/editors-picks/brexit/europe/the-uk-rips-out-its-eu-law-drip,-only-to-hook-up-to-another
More on the WAIB.

Of course there is a more sinister explanation: May does indeed intend to no deal and or use civil contingency law to pass the WAIB in whatever form she sees fit without parliamentary scrutiny.

Tick, tick, tick.

A friend told me today not to worry about brexit as "we survived before and we'll survive again". I didn't say much. My history lessons were rather grimmer in reminding me, that the ones who didn't survive don't get to be so optimistic.

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thecatfromjapan · 06/02/2019 12:09

I am still pretty angry about those who inflicted the Magic Grandad on Labour.

And I imagine a small circle of hell, in particular, for those who voted him in, then grew disillusioned and left, instead of staying and trying to shift his useless ass.

prettybird · 06/02/2019 12:09

Tusk also mentioned something about needing a stable and substantial majority for the agreement with the EU Confused

not going to happen Sad

Bubastes · 06/02/2019 12:15

Good for Tusk. The pro Brexit worms have been spitting bile about Europe for years now. But no doubt they’ll now start wailing and stamping their feet over his comment.

Pussies.

bellinisurge · 06/02/2019 12:29

The Dad's Army phrase "they don't like it up 'em" springs to mind.

lonelyplanetmum · 06/02/2019 12:32

Emily Thornberry has officially asked for an Art 50 extension according to the Independent?

RedToothBrush · 06/02/2019 12:33

Donald Tusk is slaying the hardline remainers unicorn.

I think its overdue sadly. As much as I want to remain.

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LonelyandTiredandLow · 06/02/2019 12:34

Leaver friend commented on Tusks language about hell with Shock but when I reminded her it was about the lack of any plan, she actually agreed! This is a breakthrough for her.

AutumnCrow · 06/02/2019 12:35

I'm watching Politics Live on BBC 2 and shamefully I have been too mesmerised by Emily Thornberry's and Michael Fabricant's hair to take much in.

I think I have brexit brain overload.

1tisILeClerc · 06/02/2019 12:36

If you had been 'stood up' for a date for 2 1/2 years you might be a bit annoyed too. Just listening to PMQs on SKY just now, no one really has a plan and 51 days to go. STILL talking crap about another referendum and so on.

thecatfromjapan · 06/02/2019 12:41

Yes (@ slaying the Remain unicorn).

I think he's also knocking a hole in Corbyn's threadbare ploy of absolving Labour from responsibility for Brexit.

I really do wonder how this is going to play out in a GE.

BigChocFrenzy · 06/02/2019 12:44

@Tonsilss That's fine

SusanWalker · 06/02/2019 12:44

Andrea Leadsom just said Donald Tusk has no manners. Grin

QuentinWinters · 06/02/2019 12:45

Tech solution Venn diagram anyone? (Pretty much sums up why I think the tech solution is unworkable)
mobile.twitter.com/paulbernaluk/status/971041391894827008

Hazards · 06/02/2019 12:45

I've always quite like Tusk.

STILL talking crap about a second referendum and so on

Just call one! Or don't. Just DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE. Or at least declare descending into madness as an official plan. Its gone so far that actually looks reasonable. I can do crazy - I can join in, in my own remoaning way...

thecatfromjapan · 06/02/2019 12:47

You know, the gaslighting is still incredibly strong within Labour.

It's a noticeable thing that the people who have drunk the look-aid, even the ones who have since moved on from hero worship, are now saying things like, 'Well, I voted Remain but I just don't agree that Brexit is the most important thing, or even important at all. All these FBPE people, they just go on and on about world economic ranking. Honestly - does it matter? I don't care. I just want us to invest money in the NHS and housing and schools and transport and disadvantages areas. It shouldn't be an ego thing if the UK falls down through world economic rankings.'

I mean ... how much of a cultist do you have to be? How can they not notice the brainwashing? The cognitive flaws?

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Grinchly · 06/02/2019 12:48

Agreed the cat . Good to 'see' you back by the way. Always find myself nodding in agreement with your posts. ( I lurk mainly and have name changed)

thecatfromjapan · 06/02/2019 12:50

And, I hate to say this, but Corbyn really has shown is what a Corbyn-led government will be like.

A post-Brexit, Corbyn-led government is unlikely to be comfortable.

thecatfromjapan · 06/02/2019 12:51

Hello Grinchly

BigChocFrenzy · 06/02/2019 12:55

red I agree
Sadly, there is little support for Remain politically, at least not support that is prepared to stand up and vote Revoke, or even PV

Hence why imo the WA is the best we can do:

it gives us time to regroup and fight for a much closer relationship than the backstop,
hopefully gives time for the changed demographics to start affecting the politicians AND for Corbyn in particular to be replaced by someone capable and sensible

Of course, if we are heading to No Deal and May Revokes on 29 March, I'll celebrate wildly
but I rate the chance at 1%

Relying on Remain and fighting against the WA is like putting all your worldly wealth on a 100-1 Derby outsider

BigChocFrenzy · 06/02/2019 12:59

I follow Barnier's deputy, Sabine Weyand
She's a very very clever woman, with a great sense of humour
who speaks such excellent English that she can answer off the cuff and make jokes - v difficult in a foreign language

mobile.twitter.com/WeyandSabine

thecatfromjapan · 06/02/2019 12:59

Agree.

SusanWalker · 06/02/2019 13:00

I would have liked a revoke/2nd ref but I do agree that it's extremely unlikely.

The best way forward I think is WA then a move to CU/SM. Then I guess start working towards a campaign to rejoin at some point.

thecatfromjapan · 06/02/2019 13:01

I can't see Corbyn being replaced though.

The nutters are in control in Labour, at most levels, and are driving many sane members out. ☹️

Destiel · 06/02/2019 13:10

Sigh.

Same shit, different day, then?

(Goes back to safeguarding training..)

jasjas1973 · 06/02/2019 13:13

Brilliant tweet from Donald Tusk!

The Poles have a much closer understanding of what peace really means and why it is so precious.

Watching Anthropoid last night, how the Czech people suffered (and of course most of europe under the Nazis) really brings home why the EU is so important to us all.

I will still fight for a revoke or a PV, the WA means the future relationship with the EU will be decided by the Tories/ERG, that will prove to be a very distant one - imho Lab, currently, are unelectable.

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