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Brexit

What does the rest of the world make of Brexit?

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poshredrose · 03/02/2019 12:34

As above really. What do you make of Brexit if you're not in the UK?
I don't want this to happen, no one i know (that will admit it anyway) wants this to happen.

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RuggerHug · 03/02/2019 19:06

Nicholas22 well done. Anyone who says Eire or Southern Ireland doesn't need to type another word to prove they haven't a notion what they're talking about. Good luck to you in the United States of Southern Kingdom of Scotland.

That's a real place, right? Or is it insulting to make up a name?

Ta1kinPeace · 03/02/2019 19:07

@surferjet
The NHS has 100,000 vacancies
How do you propose looking after elderly infirm Brits without nurses or doctors or orderlies ?

captainjackandjill · 03/02/2019 19:17

sorry axe the extra is here Blush

areyoubeingserviced · 03/02/2019 19:29

My dh’s Spamish family think that we are a complete and utter joke
As another poster said, it’s like turkeys voting for Christmas.

DippyAvocado · 03/02/2019 19:51

Who cares what the rest of the world thinks?

Brexit is completely redefining the UK's position in the world. How other countries view us is absolutely crucial in how we establish ourselves on the world stage. We are in the era of globalisation and must interact with other nations. PP who mentioned Britain's history of "soft influence" was spot on. We have generally been viewed as reliable and trustworthy diplomats - current government actions have severely damaged our international reputation.

Trottersindependenttraders · 03/02/2019 19:57

The problems in the UK are due to domestic government policy, not the EU. But a lot of people are too thick to see that and would rather buy into the horrible right wing rhetoric.

^^
This pretty much sums it up. And i’d add people buy it partly because that’s the shit peddled by the right wing press.

(Ashamed) Brit here, I spend a fair bit of time in other EU countries for my job. I’ve yet to hear anyone say ‘wow, what an amazing opportunity this is for the UK’ They all appear to think we’ve taken leave of our senses - that includes my Italian & Greek contacts who I don’t think are the EU’s greatest fans. Of course the EU isn’t perfect but the lack of understanding or interest in understanding is why we’re here and it’s frankly terrifying. I fail to see anything positive about leaving. All the access to security data, to research, to medical staff, all the inward investment from foreign companies, all grants and investment from the EU - all lost.

And for what? What positives are there for us ordinary folk who are on this bus being driven over a cliff?

History will not judge us kindly. Some 16 million of us did not ask for this ☹️

PRoseLegend · 03/02/2019 20:01

Leave, don't leave, whatever, I (an Australian) just wish you'd get on with it.

AfterSchoolWorry · 03/02/2019 20:05

Irish. Worried, scared. A horrible, unstoppable car crash.

MaudBaileysGreenTurban · 03/02/2019 20:10

why do i not make sense .... we do not want to be controlled if you want be part of eu have no identity then carry on Eire thats what you wanted ...Independence x

Mmmm, delicious word salad. Yum.

lljkk · 03/02/2019 20:34

Switzerland voted to stay out. At least once. Actually probably only once. It was extremely close.

Unbearablecollies · 03/02/2019 21:06

Surferjet and Nicholas don't really inspire anyone with their pearls of wisdom and words of reassurance do they?

CountessConstance · 03/02/2019 21:14

You need to reprogram your translation software. It's not working very well.
Absolutely bellini

Peregrina · 03/02/2019 22:58

Is Nicholas WhollyFather, (or woollyfather as I thought of him)? If not, he's overdue an appearance. You know the Leavers are rattled when he turns up.

millyonth · 03/02/2019 23:22

I meet lots of colleagues/customers in Italy, Spain and the US. Some are not that interested in Brexit. They have their own political challenges. Some think we're sensible to leave the EU and some think we're rash. Here is an interesting analysis of Dieselgate from a US perspective:
www.hoover.org/research/europes-dieselgate

MamaDane · 03/02/2019 23:37

Dane here with a British expat DP. I've personally always been euroskeptic myself and understand the issues people have with the EU, god knows Denmark have had their fair share. So, to me, Brexit didn't come as a surprise. DP's family all voted for Brexit as well, despite being immigrant friendly, as immigration was not their main concern.

That said, the negotiations and the way it was all handled has been absolutely atrocious. Your politicians are children. I honestly felt bad for Theresa May, as the woman sure got herself put in a shit position. The way remainers and brexiteers have acted on both sides have been appalling. The communication has been lacking and nobody is listening to each other.

Personally I have fears what may happen to my DP's status here in Denmark, even though our government have reassured us at first mostly nothing would change with a hard Brexit, but gradually they would treat Brits like people from 3rd world nations really, needing visas and the like and making family gatherings more difif, etc.

Brexit was not thought through, and while I understand Brexit and support a nation's desire to be autonomous, I do think people should be allowed a second vote, now that they know just exactly what they are in for.

MamaDane · 03/02/2019 23:38

*difficult

prettybird · 04/02/2019 00:40

My dad is just back from South Africa. He says that they alternate between being perplexed and saying that the UK has become a laughingstock at its self-inflicted act of political and economic suicide.

And that's quite something considering the problems and corruption within SA politics Confused

He just points out that a) Scotland didn't vote for it and b) he hopes it helps him see independence before he dies. He's 82 so running out of time Wink - but still healthy and active (and his aunt did live to 102 Grin).

Mistigri · 04/02/2019 07:24

Peregrina - I suspect woollydad has been "rebadged" ;)

WhatdoImean · 04/02/2019 08:36

Some comments from the Washington Post. From those who do not know, the WaPo is considered left wing in the US - in other words, pretty much where the Telegraph is in the UK ;-).

The final quote is one which makes me cry to realise what we have become. This is a long post.... but read the final quote please.

Some choice quotes re the faith-over-reality divide:-

Outlook Perspective
The collective madness behind Britain’s latest Brexit plan
The nation is ignoring reality as deadlines loom.

Britain's Prime Minister Theresa May, center, reacts to votes related to her Brexit deal in the House of Commons on Tuesday. (Jessica Taylor/British Parliament via AP)

By Ian Dunt
Ian Dunt is the editor of Politics.co.uk, the author of "Brexit: What the Hell Happens Now?" and a host on the Remainiacs podcast.
February 1
On Tuesday, British Prime Minister Theresa May demanded that her party reject her own Brexit plan so she could go back to negotiations with the European Union and dismantle an agreement that her government reached with the continent, on an impossibly fast timeline, during talks that have already been ruled out. On every level, it is an insane way to behave. The British government is actively sabotaging the work it has spent the past two years completing and then doing a victory dance.

The problems all lie with something called the Irish backstop. You wouldn’t know it, given how deranged the party has become about it, but it is a Conservative idea. Their problem was simple: They wanted two contradictory things. On the one hand, the Brexit campaign during the referendum promised to “take back control” from Brussels. That meant returning regulatory decision-making to London. But on the other, it promised that everything would continue as before, with no effect on trade. That is impossible, because as soon as you take back regulatory powers, you have delays on the border with Europe.

The whole issue with the border is based on the concept of trust. In the European Union, member states share laws, courts and enforcement procedures. They know that the rules on the slaughter of cattle, the electronic components of cars or the chemical compounds in children’s toys are all the same. They can take someone to court if something goes wrong, even if they’re in another country, because they have the same institutions. This creates trust. And that’s why goods cross over national borders freely, with no checks.

......... After years of conflict, peace was reached in the ’90s on the basis of continued cooperation between the north and south of the island. And that meant, more than anything, an open border between the Republic of Ireland in the south and British Northern Ireland in the north.

But then Brexit came and blew it all to pieces. Instead of grappling with the hard choices the vote required, May pretended that Brexiteers could have everything they wanted: London would get back control of regulatory decisions. And the border with Ireland would stay open. The fact that these two promises were incompatible was never addressed. She just kept on pretending that it was all possible and that people should have greater faith.

There was a weird, and very un-British, quasi-religious undercurrent to all this — a sense that things would work if you just believed in them hard enough. Also discernable were a hatred of practical judgment and a bubbling tide of chest-beating jingoistic nationalism. Brexit was a political project based on the idea that identity politics could answer technocratic questions. If the technocratic question keeps proving problematic, you just need to have more faith in your identity. It was like trying to unlock a door with a slice of bread. (My bold)

On the Brady amendment:-

It was a very strange and pointless amendment. It said, in a not legally binding manner, that Parliament would back the Brexit deal if “alternative arrangements” were found for the backstop. What were these alternative arrangements? How do you promise to keep a border open while simultaneously not promising to keep a border open? Brady couldn’t say. Neither could the prime minister or any other member of her government. They had no idea what they were doing. They just needed some words, any words, that could win majority support in the Commons. The fact that the specific words they chose made no sense was an advantage: If the amendment had made sense, someone would have taken offense at its implications. This is the logic of fairy tale politics. The most common idea among Brexiteers is that they will use “high-tech solutions” to remove the need for checks at the border. But the technology they are wishing for does not exist anywhere on Earth. It is science fiction. (again, my bold)

On the impacts:-

The country is now on the verge of disaster. On March 29, unless something is done, Britain will fall out the European Union without a deal. That will affect every aspect of the economy. It’s likely to block cargo at the border; pulverize agricultural exports; trigger shortages of food, medicine and radioactive isotopes; spark employment chaos by suddenly canceling the mutual recognition of qualifications between British and European institutions; halt the legal basis for data transfer overnight; and lead to massive and sudden flows of immigration in both directions. The list goes on and on. There is no part of society that is unaffected. And yet not only does the British political class not seem to understand the consequences of what it is doing, it is lost in populist fantasies instead of addressing the cold reality.

And the final, most devastating quote:-

Britain is one of the richest and most advanced democracies in the world. It is currently locked in a room, babbling away to itself hysterically while threatening to blow its own kneecaps off. This is what nationalist populism does to a country.

millyonth · 04/02/2019 09:22

WhatdoImean That piece is not a view from the rest of the world. It is an article by Ian Dunt a UK Remainer.

WhatdoImean · 04/02/2019 09:34

Yep - fair point and I accept that.

Had not read the byline till I posted it here (oops)

Mistigri · 04/02/2019 09:45

This is in today's Le Monde (my translation):

"There is a rising sentiment in Europe that "no deal" will be manageable [for the EU]. Brussels and EU governments are making last minute preparations, having already tabled urgent legislation to temporarily extend some existing arrangements. The situation will probably be chaotic, especially in Northern Ireland which will most likely not be able to avoid a short term return of a hard border, but Brussels believes that London - much more vulnerable to no deal - would rapidly return to the table.

Above all, the degree of exasperation and lack of confidence are such that on the EU27 side, fewer and fewer national leaders think London should cancel Brexit. A second referendum? This would divide British society even more. A GE? It would resolve nothing, even if Labour came to power, because Labour is as ignorant of the EU's own "red lines" as the Tories are."

https://www.lemonde.fr/international/article/2019/02/04/brexit-a-bruxelles-la-perspective-d-un-no-deal-devient-un-scenario-raisonnable54187777_3210.html

Booboostwo · 04/02/2019 10:22

Non-Brit but huge Anglophile, living in EU but wanted to return.

Disbelief and sadness. I no longer want to return to the UK, I fear the nationalism, zenophobia and racism. I am saddened by what the UK is doing to itself, the instability, the deplorable politicians, the collapse of the economy, and scared by what the UK is doing to foreigners and immigrants.

Ideally I would like the UK to walk Brexit back, but if that doesn't happen self-preservation instincts kick in. The EU is outflanked by Trump and Putin, we cannot allow the UK's convulsions to affect us. Even the Greeks, of which I am one, were not stupid enough to leave the EU.

Sethis · 04/02/2019 10:31

Brit living in Italy for 3 years.

Everyone here shakes their head and gives the same smile you would give to a child who was trying to do something patently stupid, but refuses to be told by an adult that it won't work, so the adult just lets them try, knowing it'll fail and the kid will end up disappointed.

That despite the fact that a lot of Italians are anti-EU or at least anti-German, especially in businesses.

YeahSorryBoutThat · 04/02/2019 10:37

Irish by descent (parents) but born in UK.
My Irish relatives think we're all crazy.
My friends in the USA and Australia (British immigrants to those countries) say everybody there thinks we're crazy.
Work with Eastern Europeans- they all think we are crazy.

So, in short- everybody thinks we're crazy, including many British people who didn't vote for this thinks the whole thing is crazy.