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Brexit

What does the rest of the world make of Brexit?

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poshredrose · 03/02/2019 12:34

As above really. What do you make of Brexit if you're not in the UK?
I don't want this to happen, no one i know (that will admit it anyway) wants this to happen.

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GirlsBlouse17 · 06/02/2019 22:10

I have friends in the USA and Australia and they aren't really that interested in any of it and don't have much knowledge about it. We really aren't that important or interesting to many other countries. Our politics isn't significant to them.

JamesBlonde1 · 06/02/2019 22:58

How odd. You anticipated your brother struggling, so you thought it best to leave him and move to the other side of the world. How supportive of you Confused.

pallisers · 06/02/2019 23:05

We really aren't that important or interesting to many other countries. Our politics isn't significant to them.

Brexit is certainly significant to the US. And to Ireland. And to every country in the EU. because your failure may impact us. Your internal politics don't matter a damn to us but when you start stomping over treaties and splitting up international alliances that have worked well for decades - well yes it is newsworthy.

Your friends probably wouldn't care about brexit even if they lived in the UK. I am in the US and there is lots of commentary and discussion about it. I go to a fiction reading group run by a library and last month we met the day after the disasterous vote in parliament it was the first thing people mentioned in our chat before we started.

FortunesFave · 06/02/2019 23:28

James you're damn right I did. I have children to consider. I wasn't about to stay in the UK and watch their lives suffer because my poor brother was in that situation.

He has other relatives and friends....they're also free to move away.

xebobfromUS · 07/02/2019 06:14

The interest in Ireland in the U.S. probably depends on where you live.

From emerald-heritage.com;

" Where Did the Irish Settle in America?
The history of Irish emigration to the United States of America is a long and bittersweet tale but the diaspora that now exists, millions of Irish Americans, is the single greatest legacy of one of the toughest times in the Emerald Isle’s history.

Now the country benefits from an expanded network of brothers and sisters living and working in America and although there is still emigration today, between both countries, it is the bond created during the late 19th and early 20th centuries that is stronger.

Irish Emigration to America
Irish men and women first settled in the United States during the 1700s. These were predominantly Scots-Irish and they largely settled into a rural way of life in Virginia, Pennsylvania and the Carolinas. This is generally considered the first wave of emigration but the second, much larger and more consistent wave, came during the late 1800s spurred on by the Great Potato Famine.

This devastating famine, still remembered in Ireland to this day, lead to countless Irish seeking a better life away from their homeland. What followed, between the late 1800s and early 1900s, was the single biggest exit of people the country had ever witnessed. Cobh, a port in County Cork that was once also called Queenstown, seen 2.5 million people pass through her gates as trans-Atlantic roots became more established, reliable and safer during this period of transition.

Irish Settling in America
This huge movement of people, and the increase in chain immigration (where families created a support network to fund more relatives to come across and join them), begged one key question – where would they all go?

The simplest answer is “not very far”.

The Irish men and women who left their homeland weren’t the poorest in Ireland, as they could scrape together enough funds to travel, but when they arrived in America they were generally penniless and destitute by comparison. This resulted in huge numbers of Irish staying put in the ports they arrived in, primarily New York City and Boston, and creating unofficial Irish ghettos.

A large percentage of those who arrived were generally unskilled but America needed lots of manual labour and this lead to Irish ghettos providing thousands of workers, cheap labour, who in turn helped build and create America’s fledgling infrastructure of roads, railways and cities.

Legacy of Irish Emigration to America
That legacy, on the Eastern Seaboard helping build a brand new infrastructure, has lead to the Irish being involved in every facet of modern American life.

This involvement stems from the huge numbers of Irish who first made the jump into the New World. An 1890 census revealed 190,000 Irish living in New York City, 260,000 in Boston and 124,000 in Illinois, primarily in and around Chicago.

Incredibly, due to the growth of families over generations and an ever-present strong Irish heritage those numbers have exploded. Recent public census reports have shown that 33.3 million Americans (10.5% of the population) have Irish ancestors, connections or heritage and certain areas retain a huge connection to the Emerald Isle. Two noticeable examples include 24% of people living in Boston considering themselves of Irish descent and 45% of those in Breezy Point, a neighbourhood of Queens, New York.

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Thankfully this legacy is only set to continue and from the heady heights of the likes of President Andrew Jackson and JFK right down to normal working-class people, Ireland will continue to have a presence in America. ".

That the Irish are settled mostly around the Northeast gives it political and economic power it might not otherwise have.

I think there will probably be great sympathy and aid and assistance from the EU and the United States to those countries or regions who desired to stay in the EU and / or decide to split from the U.K. in order to stay in or join the EU.

Jolly old England, not so much.

bellinisurge · 07/02/2019 06:40

The UK deliberately doing something that causes food supply issues in Ireland. Not going to get a positive response. I think Ireland has much greater food security than the UK. Whether that's a direct consequence of previous experience of the UK's shameful past behaviour or simply a consequence of fewer people and more organised agricultural sector, I'm not sure. Anyway, footage of Irish food supply chain problems caused by the UK isn't going to look good internationally. Not exactly a great background for making deals as a trusted partner.

CountessConstance · 07/02/2019 07:36

Global Food Security index
Ireland is second most secure in the world- UK is third.

Even during the Famine, while there was a shortage of food- much of the difficulties came from food being exported to meet landlords demands, poor distribution networks in Ireland and the attempts of the British government to address the issue using unfamiliar foods.
And, the government of the time did "too little too late" as there was an over-riding Cabinet level attitude, that saw the Famine being an opportunity to "modernise" by starving removing Irish people.

Brexit will cause issues re food distribution in Ireland- we will have to make major changes (I think) to our import-export chains.

However, having come through a devastating recession, I think there is a lot of resilience in Ireland and a determination that we will minimise the impact of Brexit on us economically.

Peace and security wise- I am not so confident; and I lay the blame for that firmly at the door of the UK Cabinet.

CountessConstance · 07/02/2019 07:40

Should have edited before posting:

Even during the Famine, while there was a shortage of food- much of the difficulties came from food being exported to meet British landlords demands, poor distribution networks in Ireland following lack of investment by the London based government post 1801 and the attempts of the British government to address the issue using unfamiliar foods.
And, the British government of the time did "too little too late" as there was an over-riding Cabinet level attitude, that saw the Famine being an opportunity to "modernise" by starving removing Irish people.

ElspethFlashman · 07/02/2019 09:53

Well, today the reports from the US are that they are PISSED OFF. They've just been watching and waiting thus far but now it looks like the Americans are actively firing a couple of warning shots across the British bow.

m.independent.ie/business/brexit/hard-border-in-ireland-could-threaten-postbrexit-usuk-trade-deal-congress-warns-37791274.html

Simon Coveney is over there and he just met Mike Pompeo. He's meeting everybody and warning everybody. He has a very sober and serious demeanour and he's accustomed to talking about Brexit in succinct soundbites and I'd say he'll do well.

Booboostwo · 07/02/2019 10:50

This is hilarious. You know things are going badly when the Germans laugh at you.

Juells · 08/02/2019 21:37

This is mean, but made me laugh all the same - I'd say everyone in the world feels sorry for Mrs May

waterfordwhispersnews.com/2019/02/08/theresa-may-in-dublin-today-to-make-show-of-herself/

Grinchly · 08/02/2019 22:04

One of my friends is travelling round France at the moment, wearing her Stop Brexit badge.

Everywhere people - from students in museum queues to taxi drivers, waiters and hotel workers - have struck up conversations with her in agreement.

She says people think we are mad to be leaving and nonplussed at the position we find ourselves in now due to the déficiences of our 'leaders'.

I feel so acutely embarrassed and ashamed of our so called government.

unitoast · 09/02/2019 14:26

Juells that's very funny Grin

Coppersulphate · 09/02/2019 15:26

Our Government is trying to carry out what people voted for in the referendum.
The people causing the problems are those MPs who refuse to accept the result and think they know better than their constituents and are trying to frustrate Brexit.

DGRossetti · 09/02/2019 16:15

Our Government is trying to carry out what people voted for in the referendum.

The problem is - and it's a day zero problem - is the government is trying (badly) to carry out what some people think they voted for.

unitoast · 09/02/2019 16:22

People who voted leave didn't know what they were voting for though.

NameChanger22 · 09/02/2019 16:26

I have an Irish neighbour, he moved here 15 years ago. He voted for Brexit because of immigration Confused. His job is at risk because of Brexit Confused Confused Confused.

I have a few friends around the world who think we've completely lost the plot; although I have a few American friends who haven't even heard of Brexit Grin.

DGRossetti · 09/02/2019 16:46

although I have a few American friends who haven't even heard of Brexit

I suspect they will before too long, as the Democrats have picked up on it ...

Juells · 09/02/2019 17:36

His job is at risk because of Brexit

Beyond belief, the number of people who voted Leave even when the management of companies told their workers that Brexit would impact disastrously on the business :( I saw people in Port Talbot being interviewed, they'd all voted leave and were regretting it now, but how did they not know that Port Talbot might possibly be affected?

SonEtLumiere · 09/02/2019 17:43

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Tanith · 09/02/2019 17:45

“Our Government is trying to carry out what people voted for in the referendum.”

They don’t know what people voted for and they’re too arrogant to find out.

DGRossetti · 09/02/2019 18:36

they espouse a “thin the herd” view of medicine and food shortages

How long before it becomes acceptable to discuss eugenics as a topic worthy of debate ?

lljkk · 09/02/2019 18:54

"Brexual Harrassment". I love that. :)

Uptheapplesandpears · 09/02/2019 20:44

There is unbelievably a group of hard core Brexiteers (all men in their 50’s whom Life has not treated quite as magnificently as they feel their due), they espouse a “thin the herd” view of medicine and food shortages. Generally we don’t mention it now, because they see it as a Carte Blanche to be vile (but like the government reall)

I wonder if it occurs that they might well be part of any herd thinning? Brexiteers so often seem keen for general haircutting, tightening of belts etc, and talk often of how other people might benefit from it. There seems to be less consideration of whether they might be included.

Coppersulphate · 09/02/2019 20:52

The people I know who voted Leave all knew exactly what they were voting for.....to leave the EU.
I also believe that some things are more important than money, which is why all this nonsense put about by remainders about the country closing down, have no effect on leavers.
We voted on matters of principle not money.