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Westminstenders: Waiting for Sanity

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RedToothBrush · 01/02/2019 15:40

We could be waiting a long time, but that's what we have to wait for as that's what the EU is waiting for.

The EU has requested we expand on our plans for 'alternative arrangements' with regard to the backstop.

We need to do so before the next HoC vote on 14th Feb. The EU see no point in shifting their position before than. And the UK will struggle to provide the info the EU want before then. So there is now some doubt as to whether the vote will go ahead as planned.

About a third of the Cabinet now believe that Brexit will have to be delayed due to legislation not being ready for exit date. However we don't have power over this and we might still exit without it.

There is no Brexit related business next week in the HoC to prevent pesky amendments. The recess has been cancelled but MPs have been told its OK to go on their ski holidays so it's just a PR stunt.

Meanwhile No Deal is in full effect as businesses trigger their exit strategy in the absence of certainty. No Deal is reality for many even if we do have a last minute deal...

We are all about to get poorer. As that's what we voted for.

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SalrycLuxx · 02/02/2019 11:47

UK hospital visits for illnesses common in Victorian era up by 3,000 a year since 2010

Oooooo. Everyone can join me in suffering chilblains. I’m proper Victorian, me.

Quietrebel · 02/02/2019 12:03

“They’ve blown the lot on community organisers, LabourLive and extra Loto [Leader of the Opposition] staff.”

Ha! And yet where IS the man?

@talk1npeace
Caught up with the thread, 💐 for your cousin.

Quietrebel · 02/02/2019 12:05

salrycluxx

Rickets cases will be the ones to explode under no deal.

Lisette1940 · 02/02/2019 12:07

I have Brexistential angst.

prettybird · 02/02/2019 12:17

Ds suffers from chilblains: he's learnt to make sure that he wears slippers/slipper socks and keep his feet warm he's inherited my poor circulation

SalrycLuxx · 02/02/2019 12:25

I though rickets was already at ridiculous levels for an advanced economy.

BigChocFrenzy · 02/02/2019 12:33

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/the-big-brexit-question-what-does-a-hard-irish-border-look-like-1.3779181?mode=amp#.XFVfJmDIkDV.twitter

From an Irish point of view, pretty much any change to the existing border would be problematic.

We are not talking about controlling the movements of people in their everyday lives – this would be protected by the Common Travel Area.
Nor – let’s hope – the return of military infrastructure.

But the risk is of an economic border and the return to the kind of checks on goods movements which existed before the single market.
< and before the GFA >

It would be different to now, opening up new barriers and creating new opportunities for dissident activity.

This is what Ireland has been fighting against, trying to engineer a solution where nothing will change,
while having to concede that other ways forward can be looked at and regular reviews held.

But, increasingly, London seems happy to ignore the wider political context in Ireland and the delicate compromises that have brought peace to the island.
To many in London, it is increasingly a technical exercise of avoiding border checkpoints.
To us it is so much more.

BigChocFrenzy · 02/02/2019 12:42

Continental view:

Cartoon using the different plug sockets as an analogy to illustrate May charging in with something that can't possibly fit what the EU can accept:

Lisette1940 · 02/02/2019 12:45

Brilliant BigChoc

BigChocFrenzy · 02/02/2019 12:51

Ian Dunt explains trade borders

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1081391/Brexit-news-Theresa-May-deal-ireland-border-backstop-eu-BBC-news-any-questions/amp?

“The truth is there is no such thing as frictionless borders across customs on this planet.

The two most sophisticated borders in the world: Norway/Sweden and the US/Canada.

“Norway/Sweden:
they have an extremely close, trusting relationship.
“They do joint surveillance. They’ve worked together to get their regulations into the same place.
“They do not have a frictionless border.
“They have an awful lot of money - Norway has a rather substantial oil fund that its been using.
“It is not a frictionless border; the average waiting time is 15 minutes for lorries.

“In Canada/US:
extremely technologically advanced, gone through a lot of changes recently, it is not a frictionless border.
“Trucks are stopped.
“Even at the base level you need to make sure… say some guy is sat on a computer somewhere.
“Before he goes he fills in all of his customs declarations and his security and safety declarations.
“He does all his invoices online - everything done before you get there.
You still need a bloke on that border having a look and saying ‘well this guy has filled it all in, he goes into this bit. This other guy goes into that part.’

GD12 · 02/02/2019 12:57

Would be wise if you've got a toddler to stock up on multivitamins and formula of you have a baby. I'm also buying "follow on" milk in bulk for my 1 year old, not ideal but if there's milk shortages it's pretty important.

Destiel · 02/02/2019 13:07

I've been stocking up on vitamins for us and the kids...seems a logical thing to do if fresh food is a lot more expensive and difficult to come by.

Also pain meds, bandages...that type of thing.

DGRossetti · 02/02/2019 13:16

The conformity markings business goes a helluva a lot further than a sticker. It's the regime behind it. Manufacturers and importers are going to have to create new product lines for UK goods, separate from EU goods.

Don't even think about how warranties will work.

Essentially, we've voted to return to the days when companies can charge more in the UK because there's no competition. Those old enough to remember the 80s before the Single Market, when people could save 20% buying a car in Belgium, but then discovered its warranty didn't cover the UK. Ditto your iShineys and high tech goods.

And the UK consumer will be paying for this every cent of the way. Of course UKCA could be permanently aligned with the CE regime - at a cost. But we return to why on earth are we quitting the EU ?

I'm suspecting some of the more moronic Brexiteers (if that's not like saying "more dead" ?) will start frothing about it being "our CE" mark (a little like the cries of "it's our pound too", that did for Indyref).

GingerPCatt · 02/02/2019 13:16

With the news about the issues with liquid poo disposal all I can think is that the UK is literally turning into shit creek. And we’re all out of paddles.

SusanWalker · 02/02/2019 13:21

Ian Dunt was very good on any questions last night.

So stressed out about money and things already, then you think there's only a few weeks to go. I want to pack a bag, get a plane to somewhere sensible and start again. But I can't.

Although to be fair I would modify that to wanting to get a plane to somewhere sensible and warm, have a rest for two weeks in a nice hotel and then start again.

Destiel · 02/02/2019 13:27

I like perfume a lot

Yves rocher UK are pulling out from March.

They wont be the last.

wherearemychickens · 02/02/2019 13:51

Thinking worst case scenario - so failed state territory and having to leave the country sharpish because it is descending into anarchy - it would be sensible to have some money in a bank account that isn't in this country? If so, where would you have it and how do you organise that? I.e. which country is the safest bet, and will let British nationals open an account without being resident? I don't think I would want just a UK bank euro account. It would need to be an account that came with a debit card, not just a savings account. Does anyone know of any?

BigChocFrenzy · 02/02/2019 13:52

Perfume will be needed even more to cover up the smell of overflowing Brexshit !

Scandaloso · 02/02/2019 13:54

We'll all be sniffing nosegays, or wearing those beaky plague doctor face masks!

Destiel · 02/02/2019 13:57

Transferwise

DGRossetti · 02/02/2019 13:58

I.e. which country is the safest bet, and will let British nationals open an account without being resident?

It would have to be a country the UK has a relationship with outside the EU, so unaffected by the UK becoming a 3rd country to the EU.

If the shysters hadn't pissed in the poll, a cryptocurrency would be tailor made for the job. But they have, so it's not.

You could always go old school and buy small precious stones and sew them into your clothes.

BigChocFrenzy · 02/02/2019 14:11

Keep to regular bank accounts, or risk losing your money.

Best avoid the precious stones or gold route, unless you want the UK and EU to assume you're dodgy

Large amounts of paper currency are frowned on and may be confiscated too

  • I remember an LHR documentary when the UK authorities did this to an unfortunate traveller, no charges necessary, just confiscated.
wherearemychickens · 02/02/2019 14:13

BigChoc, that looks like it might just be the ticket, thank you! I think I will open an account now and see how it goes as to how much I transfer over to it.

wherearemychickens · 02/02/2019 14:24

Although DGRossetti has a point about the 3rd country change - I might ask them about their no deal planning before setting up an account.