Westminstenders: Waiting for Sanity

[RedToothBrush]

We could be waiting a long time, but that's what we have to wait for as that's what the EU is waiting for.

The EU has requested we expand on our plans for 'alternative arrangements' with regard to the backstop.

We need to do so before the next HoC vote on 14th Feb. The EU see no point in shifting their position before than. And the UK will struggle to provide the info the EU want before then. So there is now some doubt as to whether the vote will go ahead as planned.

About a third of the Cabinet now believe that Brexit will have to be delayed due to legislation not being ready for exit date. However we don't have power over this and we might still exit without it.

There is no Brexit related business next week in the HoC to prevent pesky amendments. The recess has been cancelled but MPs have been told its OK to go on their ski holidays so it's just a PR stunt.

Meanwhile No Deal is in full effect as businesses trigger their exit strategy in the absence of certainty. No Deal is reality for many even if we do have a last minute deal...

We are all about to get poorer. As that's what we voted for.

I'm getting my brexshit bingo card ready...

(Licks pencil, looks over glasses provocatively)

"They need us more than we need them" ✔

"They want our £39b more than keeping to binding, legal commitments to 27 member states"✔

I just waiting for German car manufacturers bailing us out crap and the good old Y2K bullshit...

(Eye rolls into another dimension)

No just so happens Prosecco issue was on tv and back on the internet news last night and this morning not because it may have been talked of before.
It’s one example

I live & work in Germany - part of the UK science braindrain since the 2016 referendum

German manufacturing have asked their government right from the beginning to prioritise protecting the EU Single market

What the UK demands would wreck the Single market
which would cause orders of magnitude more economic damage than losing all trade with the UK

Nope I don’t think that at all Destial but it’s far better than signing some shit that makes us worse than staying a member.
Plus as I said I didn’t vote to part leave I voted to leave as I’m sure most that voted to leave did

(Eye rolls into another dimension)

I'm not even bothering to get my Bingo card out, Riley McRiledFace is barely even making sense in a Brexit way: Life after No Deal as a better bargaining chip? lol (as I've seen it written somewhere).

However your happy moaning on though is not going to cure anything it’s out of all our hands now

SO

How do we get total electoral reform?

How do we make European style coalitions normal?

How do we represent the total fuckwits, who don't represent the people?

This has to be the legacy of Brexit.

We could all vote Lib dem, get the change and then boot them out and go with the new.

You OK hun?

We have zero leverage if we leave with no deal. We will be in desperate need of a trade deal with the EU. They will need one with us but not so desperately. And they will know it. I wouldn't be surprised if they were planning financial help for the countries and businesses hardest hit to cushion them until things get sorted

We will call and say let's sort out a deal quickly and they will pull out the withdrawal agreement and say sure, let's just get this sorted first.

Maryjoyce After No Deal, our negotiating position is far WEAKER

Instead of negotiating during Article 50, when everything stays the same as before,
we'd be negotiating while the Uk economy is going over a cliff

After No Deal, before the EU will even start negotiating a trade deal, the UK will have to sign up to everything in the WA,
including the backstop, the exit bill and expat rights

So, we'd sign up to all that you want to refuse now
but losing the benefits of a transition period - which is only legally possible if we sign before Brexit day.

i.e. we get a worse deal and ou economy falls off the cliff

Why would you want to do that to your own country ??

Well they won’t need to export all their shit to us, will they, when we’re drowning in millions and millions of gallons of home produced slurry. At least it’s one thing we’ll be self sufficient in.

Why would we vote to leave and want to stay in a single market? It would be the most pointless thing to do and as I say no point to leave as we will be worse off.
As say I voted to leave not part leave

We just need whollyfather to bob up now and mansplain to us. Oh wait, we don't, because he will say exactly the same as Maryjoyce. When any Leaver says, "this is an opportunity that I have identified and will work on" instead of passing the buck, then I might begin to listen to them.

So Maryjoyce thinks our MPs are rubbish - so do I as it happens in the main, but get out there and vote, get out there and get involved in politics, get out there to try to make a difference.

Define "leave" please

We have zero leverage if we leave with no deal. We will be in desperate need of a trade deal with the EU. They will need one with us but not so desperately. And they will know it.

I imagine this is where the Prosecco and BMWs comes in.

The vision is that after a couple of weeks of the Mighty Buccaneering Brits (not to be confused with the HelplessBullied Brits) not buying Prosecco and BMWs never mind that in the event of No Deal, this would be because we're trying to afford food, the weak helpless EU (not to be confused with the powerful PunishingBullying EU) will come crawling back and eagerly dismantle its very core pillars for the honour of worshipping Brexitannia.

@Maryjoyce
Leave the single market
Leave the customs union
Leave the jurisdiction of the ECJ
Leave the contributions to the EU budget

That's what your Prime Minister proposes so why would that be "part leave"? What else do you want to "leave"?

Is it the £39 bn that you have a problem with? That's what we owe the EU, it's not optional. It's as if you pulled out of your car finance agreement half way through the contract terms.

JRM say be patient, because Brexit benefits would take 50 years to appear

I don't know how old you are, maryjoyce but I'll be dead long before then

Brexit could never produce as good a deal as Remain wrt the economy and trade
If you genuinely and knowingly voted to be poorer that's OK
If you're wealthy, you might well be wealthier still, so that's logical too

Why would we vote to leave and want to stay in a single market?

Why go to the supermarket, when you could just use the corner shop?

Just read that World Trade Organisation regs entail a 50% tariff on sheep sales. My DP barely scrapes a living from his hill farm now. This will put him out of business. But heigh ho, he'll be no worse off than the 400 Ford workers in Bridgend who are going to be laid off, or the Nissan workers in Sunderland, or the folk who used to work for the EMA...among all the other disappearing jobs. So it's good to know that No Deal is the best of all possible outcomes in this best of all possible worlds. And if they're going to be facing their own hard times there, at least they'll have time to cultivate their gardens....

Only about 25 billion is the exit bill, the money owed to date

The remainder is to pay for the transition period, which the UK requested

In fact, the Tory ERG proposal was to pay 10 billion a year for a few years until we were ready to leave

Leaving for me was exactly that leave. Not be held to ransoms and still pay to the EU and have to stay under there rules without any say.

Leave is simple look it up in the dictionary.

As it says “depart from permanently “

I need to pull out the rosary beads and start praying for the people who voted to limit medication supply their souls really need it.

Element. I don’t buy shit German cars and I don’t drink so they would starve if waited for my money anyway

So that was leave, even if it send the UK economy over the cliff and makes you & your family much poorer
(unless you are wealthy like JRM, of course)

Do you always believe people when they promise unicorns ?

Leave means leave was a 2017 concept.