What do you actually WANT to happen next? PV, WA, ND, Revoke?

[Greensleeves]

Just a straw poll, I'm really not after a bunfight (although I appreciate I may get one anyway).

How did you vote in the 2016 Referendum, and what is currently your favoured option of the ones available?

Voted Remain

Prefer (in order)
Revoke
A lot of other options TBC
I
I
I
V
Down
Down
Down
I
V
I
V
WA
PV

No Deal is NOT an option in any way, shape or form. It doesn't look like it ever really was until that idiot May started all the stupid posturing for the Fail front pages.

1. Revoke. Make it all stop.
2. WA
3. PV

There is no 4.

I do not want a PV because it has become very apparent that to many people, Brexit has become an article of faith, thus is closed to reason. There are plenty of people living with staggering levels of cognitive dissonance who would happily drink the Kool Aid.

Remain
Revoke

{And with the WA everyone is pissed off.}
With a happy upside that unlike ND, most people will be alive to be pissed off.

Leave
ND (but only if a soft border arrangement can be agreed that suits Ireland and NI and the EU - maybe the Queen could chair the discussions.)

Revoke
Remain and reform

@frumpety WA it's dead.

Tbh a better solution than any on the table right now would be to dissolve the UK as an entity. Each component country gains 100% full autonomy. England and Wales voted to Leave, so they leave. Scotland and NI voted to Remain, so they stay in the EU. Every country has its own PM and Parliament, and governs however it likes.

The only hard land border would be Scotland/England and hey, we've already got a wall partially built up there, right? Just modernise Hadrians Wall, no problemo, and off we go.

{@frumpety WA it's dead.}
No, it is the only 'deal' on the table for the EU. The HoC may have voted it down but they are not the only players in this.
The EU are not that keen on the WA either as it gives far too much to the UK.
Remember, it is the UK leaving, the EU don't have to 'give' anything at all.

Remain
Revoke

NB Ireland

Sorry I may have misunderstood your post bluejag as I thought you meant there was an alternative leave scenario to no deal and the WA ? Apologies if I got the wrong end of the stick

@frumpety I think it's so easy for all of us to get confused. Only God knows what's going to happen.
Nothing has divided this country like Brexit.

OP asked what we want 'next'. We have to have a WA before we can have a trade deal. Why does everyone forget that? May said it loudly enough when she lost the WA vote.

I voted Remain. I want:
Revoke (but that's a unicorn, it can't happen & would blow things up)
WA (reluctantly)
omg, can't contemplate the other

several people on here who voted remain are now saying they’d rather have WA than revoke. Why?!

Because Revoke is a unicorn now. The divisiveness & govt totally bogged down by Brexit are what bothers me most. WA is progress towards getting an actual deal; we need to get WA sorted b4 deal can ever happen. "No Deal" just means chaos before we get delayed WA. Norway++ is my preference for actual trade deal, which in 10 yrs could move to Canada++ after technology developments make MaxFac possible.

Revoke and stop the whole thing before more jobs are lost/companies move from UK.
There would be a lot of relief around the country, even from so called Brexiters who supported the leave campaign but didn’t really want it to win.

www.justmakeitstop.co.uk/

Revoke revoke revoke

Leave
WA

Revoke is (currently) politically highly improbable but it's not a "unicorn" because it is the simplest outcome to implement - it requires the govt to send one letter.

Even the WA requires the govt to force a phenomenal amount of legislation through both Houses of Parliament in little more than 30 sitting days.

IMO there is about an equal chance of either revoke or no deal - ie virtually no chance at all. MPs have finally realised that nothing is magically going to sort Brexit and have started getting their backsides in gear. I think there is no intention whatsoever to let no-deal happen - although I don't rule out the possibility of the incompetent government allowing it to happen by accident!

I also think there is virtually no chance of a revoke as MPs would be scared of being "undemocratic". Technically we are a representative democracy and they can do what the hell they like once elected, but they fear not being re-elected more than a anything. However, I think there's an outside chance that if she doesn't get her WA through, there is the possibility that TM would revoke at the last minute then stand down and leave it for someone else to sort out. Revoke doesn't necessarily mean the end of Brexit altogether, but it would have to mean a significant change of approach.

I think eventually the WA will get through, perhaps with an amendment to the political declaration to allow more hint of a close future relationship with the EU to appease remainer MPs. Soft Brexiters are the majority in Parliament. Remainer MPs fear no deal above all else and Brexiters fear no Brexit.

At the end of the day, no-deal would screw both Labour and the Tories at the next election if they allow it. Half of voters are already opposed to it and you can bet most of the rest will be furious once they realise no deal actually means less, more expensive food and petrol, medicine shortages and traffic jams instead of the magic unicorns and rainbows they are expecting.

This thread isn't about what people think WILL happen though. It's about what people WANT to happen. And to that question, the most popular answer by far is "revoke".

Remain
Revoke

I know that Misti - posted my preference for revoke upthread! Some discussion had opened up though, as often happens on a thread.

Although virtually everyone I've seen on this thread was remain. Its not representative. Obviously if you wanted to remain, this disaster is not going to make you want to leave! Realistically, I'd be in favour of the WD. I suspect it will get through in the end. The chances of some other dunderheads rocking up to Brussels and renegotiating a better deal in 3 months is laughable. Especially if it includes any of the Labour front bench.

I think it's a shame to "dilute" the thread too much.

Results quite surprising IMO.

I voted Remain. I would like to see the following in this order:

1. Article 50 revoked.

1. A general election.

1. Another referendum to guage the opinion of the people,with a simple Leave/Remain option.

1. If Remain polls the most votes, we remain in the EU.

1. If Leave polls the most votes, a cross-party Brexit committee is set up by the new government, to work on producing a viable deal option.

1. Talks to take place with the EU regarding the proposals.

1. If an agreement can be reached between EU and UK that would be workable (unlike the rubbish so-called deal that TM presented us with), then the "new deal" is carefully explained to the people.

1. A final referendum to be held with two options - a) accept the new deal and leave the EU - b) reject the deal and remain in the EU.

1. If b) wins, we remain as we are. If a) is the majority, then the PM triggers Article 50 and begins 2 years of preparations (this is just preparations, not negotiations: those would have already taken place in order to come up with the deal on the table). Two years after Article 50 is triggered, we leave the EU under the terms of the agreed deal.

Voted remain (after much agonising).
Prefer revoke - I think it's got about a 20% likelihood of happening though.
I think what is more likely is that there will be a fudge around the backstop at two minutes to midnight and the WA will go through. Once the Germans are faced with the prospect of supporting their manufacturing when they are already going into recession or throwing Ireland under a bus, a fudge will miraculously appear.