MPs drop plans to put fresh referendum to Commons vote

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Why?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46987529

Best guess? Referendum takes time we don't have.

According to the Guardian, the MPs pushing for another vote said it would fail without Corbyn's support. Why doesn't he just get behind it for god's sake?

Does this mean that a second referendum 100% isn't going to happen then?

A cross-party amendment to push for a second EU referendum will not be tabled in the Commons as it would have little chance of being passed without formal support from Labour, the MPs organising it have announced.

Sarah Wollaston, the Conservative MP who has led efforts on a so-called “people’s vote” amendment, said that without the backing of Jeremy Corbyn, “at the moment we would not have the numbers”.

^ From the Guardian. Time is running out!!

I can't share my view of Corbyn right now. I'd probably get deleted.
Will NEVER vote Labour as long as he's leader.

He lied

Lied about what Quietrebel?

I feel so let down by Corbyn - why can't he just get behind another referendum? He has the power to put an end to this mess. I don't get it, I really don't.

Political extremists of either hue love chaos. They can offer themselves as an alternative to the thing they have formented once it has started up.
Judge every single one of the sods by that measure and their "approach " becomes more obvious.
Consensus and compromise is not their thing.
If I specifically slag off Corbyn about this a bunch of his supporters jump on and say I must love torturing puppies or some such shit. Corbyn/ERG? After the same mess for similar if superficially different reasons.

He lied about backing a 2nd ref if he couldn't get a GE. He failed to get a GE and he's still not backing a 2nd ref. Until he does, I'll consider that his previous statements were lies.

Quite a lot of the Labour front bench said they'd resign if he formally backed it, I believe. There just isn't enough support for it among Labour MPs.

Surely the only available option now is to set a referendum between staying and leaving under no deal (because there is no available deal). There is no time to do that by the end of March but if we fix the dates of the referendum and an exact date we know we would leave if that was what was decided then it is clear and factual.

For example we could vote on 2nd May and know that if we were to leave it would be no deal and it would be on the 1st July, no ifs no buts, final decision.

I'm personally against a second referendum because it would likely have No Deal as an option and some people are stupid enough to vote for it.
However, we are running out of other options.

I'm personally against a second referendum because it would likely have No Deal as an option and some people are stupid enough to vote for it.

I agree with Bellini. There are a lot of people saying "this is what I voted for" and "Just get on with it" like it's easy and straight forward.

This is just another way to attack Corbyn. Even if Corbyn supported the people's vote there wouldn't be enough MPs to get it through he house.

The people's vote lot haven't even presented a question or any details as to what would be involved.

It's just another way for the centre right and centre left to attack Corbyn.

This is just another way to attack Corbyn. Even if Corbyn supported the people's vote there wouldn't be enough MPs to get it through he house.

I admit to having a only a basic understanding of how this stuff works, but surely Corbyn and the party whip could order Labour MPs to back a second referendum? Also, the majority of Labour voters do want to stay in the EU, so why would their MPs not back a second vote?

Corbyn can't use party whips. Given that he ignored them while on the back benches. He can try but I'm afraid for him those chickens have come home to roost.

This is just another way to attack Corbyn

That man should not be leader of the opposition. The overripe banana in my fruit bowl has more impressive leadership qualities than that man. I’m not even joking that banana is giving off ethylene, currently having way more impact than Corbynn

Quite a lot of the Labour front bench said they'd resign if he formally backed it, I believe.

Did they say that before or after he mapped out the... vote of no confidence -> Try for a G.E -> then a referendum ...plan of action he laid out less than two weeks ago.

Another portion of dazzle-them-with-bullshit for the masses.

They have said so over the last few days. A lot of them are MPs for Leave-voting constituencies. The majority of Labour voters, counted individually, voted Remain; but a considerable majority of vulnerable/target Labour constituencies voted Leave. So lots of MPs believe, probably rightly, that their electoral prospects depend on Labour not being seen to actively attempt to overturn Brexit.

And yes as noted above they would be likely to defy the whip.

I agree with Glitched on the motivations behind this, at least in many cases.

There's no point because he doesn't have the numbers. The Tories are in power and with the support of the DUP, labour plus all the other parties cannot win a vote to get a 2nd referendum through the house.

Calling Corbyn useless etc is just ignoring the reality of parliamentary maths and using this as another thing to attack him with.

Any of the MPs who have said they’d resign should be facing deselection IMO. Given how much the Corbynite party emphasises that Labour Party policy is made by members at conference. Liars all.

I reluctantly agree that a second vote would lead to lots of leave voters voting no deal falsely believing it means we just stay.

We're not close enough to the rotating knives of Brexit Day.

Give it another few weeks of companies leaving every day, warnings from major industry figures, etc. and the mood in Parliament will change.

Right now, there aren't enough MPs willing to vote for a second referendum for it to pass. But once we can feel the wind from the blade tips as they swish past, waiting to chop us up on Brexit day, sensible MPs will come around.

Assuming we haven't reached a deal they can sign off on by then, and we haven't extended Article 50 to move Brexit day, the next spoke to throw in the wheel of a no deal outcome is a second referendum. So the pressure will be phenomenal for MPs to fall in behind the idea and support it.

There's no point because he doesn't have the numbers. The Tories are in power and with the support of the DUP, labour plus all the other parties cannot win a vote to get a 2nd referendum through the house.

Calling Corbyn useless etc is just ignoring the reality of parliamentary maths and using this as another thing to attack him with.

@Glitched I disagree. There are a number of Tories who want to remain in the EU and would support a second referendum - Sarah Wollaston, who was leading the plan for the PV amendment, being one of them. She's even quoted in the Guardian today saying that without Corbyn's backing, she doesn't have the numbers for the PV amendment to succeed - implying that with his support, she might.