MPs drop plans to put fresh referendum to Commons vote

[Crimson72]

Why?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46987529

We don’t need another referendum vote simply as it has already been voted to leave, we don’t have a second and third vote on every issue in parliament just because some don’t like the outcome.
However I would think a vote on how we were to leave would maybe be sensible but it’s far far too late now to do so.
What we should be blaming is the whole of the government for wasting 2 and a half years and not getting there act together with proper proposals and plans that should have long ago been agreed instead of all been pretty useless and having no plans and nothing agreed at all when we are just weeks away.
They are all paid more than enough and if they couldn’t decide and sort things out in that time they should have stepped down and let more capable people in to do so.

Who truly wants another referendum though? Not remainers (like me!) and certainly not Leavers. I truly dread the hate and vitriol that another ref would bring about. The situation is very concerning and I don't know how we get out of this mess but I don't think that a new referendum is the answer. Imagine if No Deal was on it! All the angry Leave voters would go around spreading hate AND voting for it. It's not a nice thought.

God what the hell is going to happen?

We leave on the 29th March time is running out and all they do is argue and argue rubbish. Corbyn is like a 3 year old and May is like I’m Prime Minister so I’m better than you all ,so instead of getting on with things they just bicker over pointless things and waste precious time.

I have voted Labour previously. Not again, whilst Corbyn is there

@OP

Even with Corbyn and Labour's support there would not be enough MPs to vote for a public vote. It's basic maths.

Glitched, again - how can you possibly know the number of Tories who would vote for a second referendum? Sarah Wollaston seems to think that with Corbyn/Labour's support it would be doable.

We don’t need another referendum vote simply as it has already been voted to leave, we don’t have a second and third vote on every issue in parliament just because some don’t like the outcome.

As the unamended WA bill comes up for a second vote ...

Because MPs have been vocal in what they would likely vote for. There are not enough MPs that would vote for it, of any party, to pass it through the house. The government, DUP, ERG and others would oppose it.

I don’t think you can argue that Corbyn isn’t going for it because it doesn’t have the numbers when he went for the no-confidence vote despite not having the numbers.

The numbers didn’t seem to be an impediment there.

It was agreed at the Labour Conference to campaign for a People’s Vote, after trying for a general election. And Corbyn claimed to run a democratic Party.

we don’t have a second and third vote on every issue in parliament just because some don’t like the outcome.

If Parliament took a vote on whether to leave the EU or not, without any details of how it was to be achieved, then damn right they'd have second and third votes to determine whether it was actually achievable and whether any of the possible ways forward was acceptable to them.

What we should be blaming is the whole of the government for wasting 2 and a half years and not getting there act together with proper proposals and plans that should have long ago been agreed instead of all been pretty useless and having no plans and nothing agreed at all when we are just weeks away

Being able to blame the government as they drive us over the cliff isn’t exactly going to mitigate the effects of being driven over the cliff.

we don’t have a second and third vote on every issue in parliament just because some don’t like the outcome.

Every Act of Parliament in the U.K. is voted on at least twice.

Sarah Wollaston seems to think that with Corbyn/Labour's support it would be doable.

Crimson72 She is saying that because if they supported it any vote is likely to be whipped.

If it had no whip or was a free vote they wouldn't have the numbers.

A vote of no confidence had to be brought because of the size of May's defeat. It was a token gesture destined to fail.

The second ref vote would have been defeated and angered leavers and remainers who don't want a second vote even more. Lose lose.

What the hell would have been on the ballot anyway? Would just have caused more division.

The vote of no confidence only lost by like 10 votes. If the DUP or more than 10 of the ERG voted it would have succeeded.

The ERG and the Tories voted against her in their internal vote of no confidence.

The vote of no confidence only lost by like 10 votes. If the DUP or more than 10 of the ERG voted it would have succeeded.

They were never going to vote with the opposition.

The ERG and the Tories voted against her in their internal vote of no confidence.

Hard Brexiteers chasing hard brexit. A minority.

Would just have caused more division

Society is already deeply divided by Brexit, Mays deal, no-deal or no-brexit... its all too late, no one will be happy.

We can only try and stop the economic damage and that's to Remain and spend money on the poorer areas of the UK.

If we don't, the real division is yet to come, when the economy slows and people start losing jobs, the blame will start.

I agree Jasjas but there is no way out now. it is too late. Genie is out the bottle.

Everyone who wants a PV is assuming remain will win this time. We assumed the same last time, and look what happened there. I have no idea how this is going to pan out. Really, I just want it to end. I can't see how delaying A50 is going to help matters. Parliament will still have the same composition and the same entrenched views. We need a deadline to force them to end this. I suspect an election will result in a Tory majority. In my view the best chance Labour have of winning an election is by saying they will revoke A50 which would mean ditching half their renationalisation policies, but there you go. They were fantasy anyway. They may lose some people in their traditional heartlands but will gain others.

The vote of no confidence only lost by like 10 votes. If the DUP or more than 10 of the ERG voted it would have succeeded.

DUP will never ever vote for something that could bring about a Corbyn led government.

A couple of the ERG might have rebelled but highly unlikely.

I suspect what's happening here is they are trying to limit the options to have a chance of thr one they wish succeeding and it seems they want thr collective effort behind the amendment to delay or revoke article 50.

In addition a second referendum can be tabled at a later stage but it takes seven months just to get it into law and they only have a few weeks.

I'm not convinced remain would win at all in a PV and I'm a staunch remainer.

I'm not sure either but I think it's betwe3n that and the proposed deal, they are trying to limit it to thr two options. Let's face it they can table a second referendum at any time, they don't need to muddy the waters with it now.

I'm coming round to the idea of a snap election. That could be done in 5 weeks. There would have to be clarity and a clear difference between both parties for that be any use though, so one party would have to come out saying they would revoke A50. At the moment, it's a vote between a bunch of people who haven't a clue. Most of them want to remain but are running scared of saying so. It's an utter shambles.