Derry~Londonderry

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My heart would break if my anxiety would let it.

Can't believe it.

..its the end result if the IRA renews its terrorist campaign, the unionists won't sit by and do nothing.

We are playing with fire.

I've said it on another thread but the arrogance of many English people towards other parts of their own country is shocking. It's nice to know where you stand.
What a lot of people also don't know is that there was a hell of lot of discrimination against Irish people (or people perceived to be Irish) on the mainland as well. Whilst my Catholicism isn't visible (unless you see me coming out of church), my red hair is and that was enough to be called a terrorist when I was 7.
And a lot on the mainland see it as a black and white issue (why on earth would the UVF etc attack the mainland). The nasty Catholics v the Protestants. Of course it's more complex than that. It depresses me how quickly people have forgotten what an important and impressive achievement that GFA is. The lack of attention to it from the Leave leaders (who should know better) was one of the things that upset me most about the campaign.

gramma

I was a catholic as a child and I remember being asked what religion i was by other children and being told that i supported the IRA

Happened to my friend as well, both 'english' children in an English school

Obviously its nothing like being irish at that time or living in Ireland and i am in no way attempting to compare the two...but even just being catholic was enough to get you questioned and accused

I've said it on another thread but the arrogance of many English people towards other parts of their own country is shocking. It's nice to know where you stand.

Indeed - it's an odd sort of patriotism that is so grossly ignorant about the recent history of part of their nation. Indeed I'd go so far as to say that these people aren't patriots at all.

To be fair. I’m English and brought up in Dublin. A time people asked where I lived they said “isn’t it scary with all the bombs”. They had no fucking clue that Dublin and Belfast are two different places.

But the whole Brexit debate etc. Shows just how fucking ignorant the English. I was on a train a lady was being abused by a yob who was saying “well with Brexit that’s you off home.” She was of Indian origin. What the fuck has that to do with Brexit.

I worry for the North especially as my DD has chosen to go to uni there.

Let’s hope some numb fuck in Westminster see sense and stops this shit show.

jasjas. For your cousin.

Problems in NI are very much seen as being in a far off place and are nothing more than an inconvenience and there is a ‘not our problem’ attitude. ‘What’s the big problem with having a border?’ I’ve been asked on many occasions - apparently other countries have borders and they just get on with it! It really beggars belief.

Apileofballyhoo

Thank you, he was young and knew nothing of politics.

It’s very easy for those in GB to think of it as nothing to do with them when a terrorist bomb goes off in NI. I will remind them that the bombs didn’t stay in NI in years gone by, is that what it will take for GB to wake up and listen this time?

So so sorry jasjas. Words aren't enough.

It's strange the things locked away in my head. From some reason this weekend has reminded me:

The news used to describe murdered people as "innocent Catholics" as presumably that had to be made clear due to the default non innocent nature of Catholics???

We knew 3 teenage soldiers who were murdered, as jasjas said, so young and not political at all.

When I was really young, maybe about 8, I overheard my mum telling her friend she'd been trapped in a taxi on a bridge during a bomb scare. An 8 year old hearing her mum say, "I just thought please God let me get home." I also remember as I got older probably misunderstanding that you were never supposed to get into a taxi if the driver had a beard, because he could shave and change his appearance instantly.

I opened this thread talking about my anxiety. Small fucking wonder eh?!

And of course, in Scotland, being asked in the playground where I'd rather go on holiday Belfast or Bosnia.

Yeah, it's shit. But nothing to do with voting to leave the EU.

What bubble are you in missesbiggens?

I will remind them that the bombs didn’tstayin NI in years gone by, is that what it will take for GB to wake up and listen this time?

I and many others don't need reminding thanks due to having a relative killed by an IRA bomb.

I also don't like what you are insinuating.

I and many others don't need reminding thanks due to having a relative killed by an IRA bomb.

Are you one who thinks the bomb in Derry is nothing to do with you? If so then you do need reminded. If not then the post wasn’t directed at you.

I also don't like what you are insinuating.

What do you think I’m insinuating? If it’s that terrorists working in NI right now may step up their efforts and travel across the water to make theirs point then you’re spot on. They very well might. They’ve done it before, fully expect it to happen again if there are Moreno threats to the GFA. That can hardly be news to you?

more threats.

It’s interesting. We talk about the constant threat of return to violence hanging over us here in NI and we’re told “of that’s nothing to do with us, we don’t want to hear about that” yet mention that the threat isn’t just hanging over us and it’s “how dare you threaten us”

YY, ILoveMax. All the time it can be dismissed as threat of violence by part of the NI population against the NI population it's nothing to do with some British people, apparently. As soon as there is mention that the winning strategy, in the end, for the IRA was bringing the bombs to rUK, they suddenly find it an immoral travesty.

I also hate the insinuation that only deaths in GB count. Deaths in NI just don't. Difficult to phrase, but I feel in discussion of the Troubles, there often seems to be a lot of focus on bombs and attacks that happened in GB. While these were of course terrible, GB in total had fewer deaths than every county in NI bar Fermanagh. When you consider the differences in population, you will maybe see how difficult it must have been for those in NI.

Despite what you often read on here and in other media, the Troubles wasn't the IRA attacking London. It was constant in NI.

Maybe someone else can more eloquently phrase what I'm trying to say here.

You’re saying it all perfectly to my ear liv, but I’m not English, I’ve lived what you have lived so I see it as you see it.

Thanks ILoveMaxiBondi, I probably should say I grew up in Dublin and was never in NI during the Troubles so I don't speak from personal experience. However DH is from NI and I've lived in Belfast or the surrounds for over ten years now. I love it here, it is home and I am gutted at what is happening.

to all those suffering atm, and having old wounds reopened. Especially those in Derry.

Yes, even though no-one (thankfully!) was injured, that bomb has impacted on people getting to work and school today. Residents were evacuated while it was happening. (Christ that brings back memories!) it’s not just the loss of life that has an effect. It isn’t over once the bomb is gone. It’s keeps affecting those people afterwards.

I wish people would stop talking about this bomb as ‘very significant’ and ‘a sign’ etc. because regardless of whether it is or not, you can be sure their recruitment drive is well up and running with all this publicity. There are many bored, stupid, violent, brainwashed, nothing to lose piece of shits in NI who might consider this ‘something to do’. So let’s keep the hysteria to a minimum because there are plenty of people who feed on it and are encouraged by it.

Very scary, I'm English and feel it would be totally wrong to ignore this and treat it as a one off/isolated incident.

Interesting that many of the pro-brexit newspapers don't appear to be covering this story at all.

hysteria

Frankly it's the recruitment drive we're concerned about.