Derry~Londonderry

[ASAS]

My heart would break if my anxiety would let it.

Can't believe it.

People understand, but like the stabbings in London, if they are not part of the demographic at significant risk, they don’t care. Irish killing Irish in Ireland? Again?

And, to answer another statement, I have as much authority to separate it from Brexit as anyone else on this thread has to link it with the same. The only difference being that there is way more evidence to support my view than theirs.

Choccy nobody wants a hard border. The DUP might like one in some ways but they'd be likely to lose votes from business people if there was one.

Choccy to offer a little context, many many people in NI now hold 2 passports, for the UK and ROI. In my circle this was an act of support for the GRAgreement. Most sectarian divides are still evident, but the soft border seemed to be the symbolism for everyone wanting a fragile peace slightly, ever so slightly more than each side wanted to wave flags and draw lines on maps.

Of course I'm being flippant, but the border brings back with it flags, and it's just a living nightmare.

The impact of conflict on young people is irreversible in many cases.

Reading about it, it instantly felt like the bad old days all over again.

I knew it was inevitable, the longer we were forced to hear hard border fevour. Just so sad.

Yes, not just the bombs and adults being killed. Remember the primary school children running a gauntlet of howling, frothing loyalists as they tried to access an education? Scenes reminiscent of Ruby Bridges in Louisiana in the 60s. The veneer over the hatred is very thin.

My heart sank.

I'm in London.

Honestly, please don't believe people in N Ireland and Ireland have been abandoned to this and you are on your own.

The GDA was an outstanding achievement. I celebrated. I will do whatever - whatever little that may be - to see it Remain.

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Autocorrect!

GFA.

So sorry ASAS.

Some unbelievably callous reactions on here. People are scared and they have a right to be.

As for whether Brexit is the right place for this, surely that's down to the OP? If she lives in NI she will have to live with the outcome if the GFA breaks down as a result of Brexit.

A reunited Ireland is the only way forward.

A reunited Ireland is the only way forward.

Or significant, sustained investment in NI. Give people opportunities, prospects and prosperity and make sure it's spread fairly across all communities.

Everything to do with Brexit. Obviously.

A United Ireland is a not going to happen. The roi simply cannot afford to take on ni, even with the current economic upturn. It would be great if it could but it can't

I don’t pretend to understand all the ins and outs of Irish history

It really is not all that complex and wrt to the north it is very much so British history too. No excuse for the British not knowing their own history especially when it is having such an impact on current affairs.

Irish killing Irish in Ireland?

But it's not, though I have heard British people say this. It's a shockingly ignorant view.

And the excuses begin.

Nothing bad caused by Brexit will be a result of Brexit according to leavers.

They will blame everybody and everything apart from the vote they cast.

I feel sick. I want to say that we can't go back to this shit, but I am all too aware that we can.

That’s exactly the point though, Quare. The majority of British people on the mainland are as informed, interested and concerned about the situation in NI as they are about Syria, Yemen or the Palestinian question. Meaning mostly resorting to vague worry ‘thoughtsnprayers ‘ and a possible Facebook profile change. Unless it threatens them.

I just hope and pray that this is not the start of a return to horrible times. My worst fear in this whole Brexit fiasco was this but I was once told by a Leaver ‘if you Irish want to kill each other what’s that got to do with us’.

‘if you Irish want to kill each other what’s that got to do with us’.

So much summed up in one sentence, right? Sigh.

liv

Is that what the first post said?

Disgusting

ASAS i agree with you, heartbreaking

The idea that we had peace after the GFA was awesome, such a huge shame if it continues in this vein

Rufus - no, I was quoting BackInTime above me (who didn't express such a sentiment herself, I should emphasise!).

Thank you for clarifying liv

Apologies misses

(Though obviously whoever said it first was indeed disgusting!)

Absolutely no coincidence that it happens now. Terrible.

@missesbiggens

Do you know what the IRAs aims are? a united Ireland.
What does a no-deal brexit mean in NI? a hard border of some description, even if that border is elsewhere, it still places a layer of separation which was not there before.

The GFA gives republicans a means to pursue their aims through a political process, once they see that it is no longer possible, there is no reason to stick with a peace process.

My cousin wasn't Irish, he was a British soldier killed in NI, English troops may end up in NI.

One bomb doesn't mean a terrorist campaign but this is a early warning of what we are facing.

English troops may end up in NI.

And, with the greatest respect to your cousin jasjas, this terrifies many in NI, especially nationalists and republicans.