Is Jeremy Corbyn right to insist on ruling out no deal before engaging?

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I am not a fan of JC and think he has repeatedly fucked up on Brexit but I also think it is IMPERATIVE that we avoid no deal.
Is he right to dig his heels in on this issue or is it just another example of his intransigence?
I'm inclined to think he is right, but are there good reasons why it should not be ruled out?

Thatcher negotiated with the IRA, Pinochet and apartheid leaders.

She was PM. He was a lowly insignificant back bencher. Big difference for starters. It hasn't just been dug up either. Those of us that paid attention knew what he was like before he became leader.
Good attempt at rewriting history though.

Corbyn is one of the key reasons the IRA came to the negotiating table

No. He. Wasn't

2nd largest member? You need to update your figures - we've stagnated since the vote - dropped behind France and are heading for par with Italy.
The Contribution only matters relative to the budget period - which is why a chunk of the 39 billion is what we committed to for the current period. All that will happen without our Contribution is that the next budget period will plan with a smaller budget. Unlike the UK the EU is capable of planning.

Err I seem to remember Thatcher refusing to deal with terrorists. With the process starting under Major.

I am not re-writing history. If you want to take your history from the supersoaraway sun or daily mail then you will believe that the only terrorists in Ni were the IRA....but please Google Peter Robinson terrorist links Kalashnikov, or the UVF/UFF killings, Shankhill butchers etc to see the truer picture of history and who TM is in power with....and while you are at it google bloody sunday and ballmurphy killings to understand why an innocent community in NI were being terrorised and deserved the support and sympathy of those in westminster and Corbyn always condemned atrocities from all sides. FWIW I am a libdem who would like Corbyn to embrace a peoples vote but when he chooses to pull his own trigger (excuse the pun) is up to him. Meanwhile the right wing press know that the Tories have messed up every part of this so have set up their distraction stories

Folder. Thatcher negotiated with the IRA in secret. Major started the peace process

He couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag.

Anyone putting conditions on even entering discussions at this stage has NOT got the country's best interests at heart. Posturing and holding to ransom is wasting precious time

Thatcher publicly refused to deal with terrorists but authorised back channel discussions.

Has there ever been a terrorist campaign that was defeated by anything other than talking to them?

Then why has TM set the precondition that she will not hear talk if delaying A50, a customs union or taking no deal off the table. Sounds like she just ain't listening with her preconditions

I loathe JC with a passion. I think he is a dickwad of the highest order. He needs to be engaging politically and being part of the solution, not being a self-serving twat who tries to appear "fabulous" to the masses. although I think most have seen through his self-serving agenda by now, hopefully

Daddybegood You know jack shit about me or what my back ground, is or what I do or don't know, or what I have lived through.

But yeah thanks for beong patronising lecture.

She can't take no deal off the table. I voted stay, but the majority voted leave. Its her job to ensure that happens, if the EU says no deal is the only deal then her hands are tied... Otherwise democracy in this country is over.

I think it is behaving like a sulking child. The whole point of the meetings is to establish where the party stands and how to go forward. All he needs to do is to meet up with her and tell her what he thinks and where he stands.

I hope people finally see him for who he is and get did of him. We need a decent opposition, not a bunch of principle ridden individuals.

Past history is irrelevant.

Only an idiot thinks there is any upside, at all, to No-Deal Brexit.

Even if we kept it "On the table" the EU doesn't give a crap. Certainly not enough to be able to use it as leverage in any negotiations. If you want evidence of that, just look at the last 2.5 years where the Tories have sworn blind "No deal is better than a bad deal". How much ice has that cut with the EU? None whatsoever.

No deal cannot happen. Not unless we enjoy being one of the most developed nations in the world and still having our population starving, being denied medication, and in all probability going into another recession and racing to the bottom in terms of consumer and worker rights in a bid to outdo Chinese sweatshops.

Any respect I had for JC 2 years ago has since shrivelled away and died due to how he's spoken (or not spoken, more to the point) about Brexit, but he's not wrong. No Deal is not a workable reality.

Of course no deal isn't an option and she all but said it any anyway, but he's just playing games here, he could easily have met her and said it.

He has set conditions she knows she can't accept. No deal is the default position, the ways to avoid that are to agree a deal or cancel or delay Brexit. If she "takes no deal off the table", Labour will vote against any deal and Brexit will be delayed (and there will have to be an election or a referendum to break the deadlock).

I don't think it makes any difference whether they talk or not. She is not going to persuade him to back her deal.

I agree with Corbyn and think he’s taken a firm stance. No deal should not even be on the table to start with.

Thatcher and the Tory government protected a mass murderer from a lawful trial (Pinochet)
Its rich them moaning about corbyn... Brexit is a tory fuck up on a massive scale!
She has spent 2 years negotiating with the so called threat of no-deal, its got us precisely nowhere!!! and lets not forget SHE signed off this deal...
if it was so bad, why did she do that? no one seems to be questioning her incompetence in doing so.

Corbyn is right not to fall into a tory spiders trap, she is the PM, sort out your own party and shit before having ago at the opposition.

sort out your own party and shit before having ago at the opposition.

That statement works both ways. Labour are also in a mess.

No it doesn't Labour aren't in government or coalition.

she has fcuked up on a grand scale and is now looking around for scapegoats.

May should have held cross party talks from the start. Doing it now is pretty much pointless. She knows it, he knows it, we all know it. Brexit needs to be delayed further if she's serious about cross party talks.

No it doesn't Labour aren't in government

So it is ok for Labour to also be in erray and thats ok because they aren't in government? He wanted a GE yesterday!

That isn't how parliament works. For a parliament to function well it needs a good government and a good opposition. Part of the reason we are on this mess is because both sides of the house are crap.

Surely the point he's making that instead of no deal being the default, it should be no Brexit? So if we can't come up with the unicorn fart deal then we revert to no Brexit.
Am I being naively optimistic?