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Westminstenders: Welcome to 2019

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RedToothBrush · 30/12/2018 00:26

Welcome to 2019.

Bit of a different thread starter; instead of me speculating what are your predictions for the coming year politically? Will be interesting to see how people are viewing things right now.

How is Brexit going to play out?

Who is going to be framed as the scapegoat for whatever scenario you think likely?

What are going to be the biggest political issues that the media / politicians push (as opposed to what the real issues are)?

What is going to be the most shocking thing that will happen either here or abroad?

What will happen with Trump?

Who will be the next Tory leader and when?

Whats on the cards for the various political parties in general?

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MerdedeBrexit · 30/12/2018 19:26

I hate HMRC with a passion. I blame that T May. She showed her xenophobic colours when she was Home Secretary. Vile. I think she was only Remain because she wanted to be in with Cameron as she didn't think he'd lose. (Sorry if this has been said before, I don't come here very often and it's only just occurred to me, belatedly!)

BigChocFrenzy · 30/12/2018 19:28

A No Deal Brexit would be an economic disaster for the UK, as predicted by the Bank of England

Even the WA means a gradual decline compared to where we would have been

On the continent, there is more awareness of the interdependence of trade and travel
So they don't have the same self-entitled attitude that it'll all work out because they are special

BigChocFrenzy · 30/12/2018 19:32

Born An EU of 450 million can certainly subsidise 1.8 million people reuniting with a member state
It won't be cold turkey.
The EU thinks longterm, unlike the election-cycle metality of national politicians

Just like e.g. the RoI was subsidised heavily for years and is now a net contributor
Poland has been heavily subsidised, but its economy has been shooting up for years, so it will be self-supporting in a few more years.

NI used to be the powerhouse of Ireland before partition and a one-island economic strategy may be what it has lacked

BigChocFrenzy · 30/12/2018 19:36

Merde She has always been anti-foereigners, except for billionaire money-launderers or mass murderers

Her pre-ref arguments for Remain were all about economics and Ireland - and were actually very well-informed.
Doesn't stop her being xenophobic though and as a PM delivering Brexit she can let that rip full blast

borntobequiet · 30/12/2018 19:53

I’m Irish, and I hope for a United Ireland. I’d pray, but am lacking in faith.
However, Northern Ireland is a very difficult territory to deal with. It has been very heavily subsidised by the UK for a long time. Nearly one third of jobs are in the public sector, as compared to under 20% in the Republic. This makes it expensive. There is a sense of entitlement in much of the population - the Unionists - that what they want, they get. This is borne out by recent behaviour. Successive UK governments have found it challenging, but have been able to marginalise and bribe their way out of trouble, partly because of the unique role the Unionist parties are able to play in UK politics. The RoI would not be able to deal with it in the same way and Protestant factions could become lethally troublesome - they are well practised at it. So a United Ireland would never be an easy ride, however well financed or supported by the EU.

frumpety · 30/12/2018 20:01

I also predict that once everything is finalised and life goes on, once the crises is over, other countries will start leaving the EU.

Ah, nice try Duchess , except, regardless of how much they might bitch and moan, other EU countries understand that they are better by far in than out Smile

1tisILeClerc · 30/12/2018 20:01

From the Independent
{A Nigerian airline says it could pull its business out of the UK after one of its pilots was arrested by immigration officials on suspicion of being a stowaway and threatened with deportation.
Max Air, which is based in Nigeria, condemned the move by border staff at Bournemouth International Airport as an example of the Home Office’s “hostile environment policy”.}

A good example of the UK being open to new trading opportunities,,,,,NOT!

MerdedeBrexit · 30/12/2018 20:03

BigChocFrenzy - thank you for your reply. Economics and Ireland are indeed, Reasons to Remain for non-xenophobes. (I still can't get over my being in agreement with Sir John Major, but there you go, some things must pass, and I still don't like Edwina Currie!)

Mrsr8 · 30/12/2018 20:04

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BigChocFrenzy · 30/12/2018 20:14

Otto English@Otto_English

Brexit Britain 2018.
Where men phone up radio stations and suggest we should let migrant children drown because..... something

Westminstenders: Welcome to 2019
HesterThrale · 30/12/2018 20:29

It seems the UK is not even in the top 25 of countries which are refugee destinations:

www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/largest-refugee-populations-country-destination

Some of the small countries are taking huge numbers of refugees.

Mistigri · 30/12/2018 20:40

I also predict that once everything is finalised and life goes on, once the crises is over, other countries will start leaving the EU.

Which countries? Curious as to whether this is a formed opinion (even if a whacky one) or just random shit-spraying in the hope of derailing serious conversation.

I've missed about 200 posts. Have we talked about the £14 million bung to a shipping company with no boats that may have family links to the Tory party's biggest donor?

1tisILeClerc · 30/12/2018 20:47

{ Have we talked about the £14 million bung to a shipping company with no boats that may have family links to the Tory party's biggest donor?}
Yes but a connection had not been identified.

1tisILeClerc · 30/12/2018 20:48

{It seems the UK is not even in the top 25 of countries which are refugee destinations:}
And is below China which according to the table has 0% immigration.

prettybird · 30/12/2018 20:49

....but a connection was assumed Hmm

I'd already said as much to dh Hmm

1tisILeClerc · 30/12/2018 20:55

Just a look at the 'directors' list has an aroma of rodent around it.
Assets of £35K and getting a £14 Million contract.

HesterThrale · 30/12/2018 21:04

Interesting that one of the Seaborne directors resigned on 21st December.

beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10709921/officers

jasjas1973 · 30/12/2018 21:11

Last year though 2017.

Buteo · 30/12/2018 21:16

Yeah, I’d be resigning too if I thought there was anything that might bite me later.

Interesting too that the company was only incorporated in April 2017.

jasjas1973 · 30/12/2018 21:16

Where men phone up radio stations and suggest we should let migrant children drown because....something

You'd be surprised how many would agree with him, the father of a good friend of mine suggested over a birthday party meal a few weeks ago that uk should stop foreign aid as that "would thin them out abit & they'd then be able to feed themselves!" i was horrified, my friend agreed with her dad... this friendship has cooled, i had no idea, he always seemed a reasonable guy, voted leave but i put that down to age, he is 70.

HesterThrale · 30/12/2018 21:19

Jas Oh yes you're right. Sorry.

jasjas1973 · 30/12/2018 21:25

...thats ok but i bet he is gutted now lol!

DGRossetti · 30/12/2018 21:27

i had no idea, he always seemed a reasonable guy, voted leave but i put that down to age, he is 70.

Age is no excuse (there's another thread running about that ...)

Peregrina · 30/12/2018 21:27

I was just reading in today's paper about a man given a knighthood for spending 30 years researching into why children get leukemia. Contrast that with John Redwood getting a knighthood for - well what exactly?

jasjas1973 · 30/12/2018 21:43

Contrast that with John Redwood getting a knighthood for - well what exactly?

........voting for Mays deal ?