Quick poll: what do you think will happen come March 29th?

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• TM's deal
• No Deal
• Revoke
• Something else (please elaborate)

I do think that there is a fundamental difference in British and European culture that hasn't been understood. European culture is more pragmatic, more focused on getting jobs done. British politics is all about ego and playing games and jockeying for advantage. It has become everything we used to laugh at the Americans for in the 80s, with none of America's mitigating good points (principally, size). The EU has dug in because it has done its part of the job. It's the British who do indeed need to get their act together and accept reality.

There seems to be a lot less people now on a Brexit thread saying 'No Deal, it'll be fine!!' Because that option is terrifying, and TM's deal is pretty much the same thing.

I wish government had the balls to revoke, but I doubt it.
So their choice is potential civil unrest in the case of revoke (despite their job to make the best long-term decisions for the country), or massive short and long-term chaos and financial drain with TM's deal or no deal. Hmmmm

I'd love to see the balance sheets on costs of staying in vs costs incurred on leaving, both to date and longer-term forecast, if it exists and anyone has a link?

Oh god I don't know! I really, really wish I could say we'd remain, but I think TM might well end up getting her deal agreed.

{I'd love to see the balance sheets on costs of staying in vs costs incurred on leaving, both to date and longer-term forecast, if it exists and anyone has a link?}
Since there are at least 60 or more NDAs issued that are commonly known about I would strongly suspect that no one has any real idea of any of the costs now as so much is tightly bound up with numbers on bits of paper, and 'feelz'. Companies like BMW will have a fair idea how much this is costing them and have some idea of how much would be gained or lost by closing down or relocating. Of course what is being discussed at their 'boardroom' level, between the UK government and probably the German government and most likely several others (France for example) make 'knowing' anything near impossible.

No deal and leavers will continue to the blame the EU/ Europeans for the chaos of no deal. I think the UK should revoke. You will get unrest either way and I think you are more likely to see unrest after a no deal.

The fact that BoJo and others have openly said 'f$ck business' and even suggested that they would rip up treaties is a hell of a black mark against the UK which will have far reaching implications. Like finding lipstick on your partner's collar, there will always be a niggling thought.

{You will get unrest either way and I think you are more likely to see unrest after a no deal.}
But no deal is what 'Leavers' said they wanted.

No deal is what leavers said they wanted, but when they see the consequences of leave they will not blame themselves but the EU. Most leavers never understood the consequences imo

Can't stop BeLeavers being stroppy teenagers if things don't go whatever way they wanted.
We just have to hope there are enough grown ups to do the actual heavy lifting.

Perhaps we can start by not throwing names around at each other. Many leavers had good reasons. Britain is an internal mess. Too many middle class people sitting in bubbles - it's even been stated that 'we're all middle class now' on occasions - while parts of the country look like the third world.

{Perhaps we can start by not throwing names around at each other.}
Well the first year of 'we won get over it' and 'Brexit means Brexit' wasn't a great start.
The fact that BeLeavers STILL can't really say what they expect to achieve and more importantly HOW they might achieve it speaks volumes. Why should the people who voted to Remain and the EU have to DO anything? BeLeavers started this mess, why are they not standing up and getting on with sorting things out?
If your child deliberately smashes their toys up, do you reward them by going out and buying more?

No, but neither do I scream at them (much) and call them all names under the sun.
Perhaps I've just stumbled into your venting grounds. Sorry if that's the case. I am a remainer btw, and I don't like Brexit one little bit either, nor the delusions so many in Britain seem to be operating under. I blame rampant consumerism for that myself (new version of ancient 'corroding luxury').

{No, but neither do I scream at them (much) and call them all names under the sun}
I haven't started yet, but since they have already caused me considerable harm by their actions of not thinking things through I reserve the right to be fuming.

Bellini

I didn't mean to imply that all three sides were to blame. The EU has to my knowledge been as reasonable as it could be, perhaps a bit too much.

The UK was given special consideration that other countries were not, for example being allowed to keep it's own currency whether by accident or design.

If you treat an entity as special, not having to follow certain rules, then it makes sense that entity might start to regard itself as special. How the UK began to think it was being oppressed by the EU is beyond me.

The only good possible thing that might come from a no deal exit is that the UK grinds to such a halt that within weeks it is begging the EU to be let back in. To quote from a Billy Jack movie, " The Born Losers " it might have to " say pretty please, on it's knees ".

A good question then is would the EU want the UK back no matter how much the UK begged? Or would it be like the remark that in terms of the UK crashing out of the EU and never coming back " better a horrible ending ( for the UK) than a horror without end ( the UK staying in and continuing to spew venom towards the EU ) ?

The UK needs to be totally crushed, like Germany at the end of WW2 and spend a while to consider what it really wants. Obviously not all, but too many in the UK see it as 'superior' and as such should automatically be in control. Historical circumstances have allowed this 'entitlement' to permeate too greatly and the UK needs a period of 'recalibration'.
As I have always maintained, the ingenuity of the British is up there with the greats, especially when teamed up with other Europeans particularly but what the UK manages in that greatness it loses with it's political control.

We don’t see ourselves as superior, we just don’t need to be a member of the EU to be a great successful country.
Not sure why remainers are still slagging off the UK, you don’t like us & that’s perfectly ok.
We’ll be fine without you.

Just watch

@surferjet why does Remain = slagging off the UK.
You need to move past the mantras and start to get realistic.

{we just don’t need to be a member of the EU to be a great successful country. }
So what is the UK about to be great and successful at now?

It is actually a very serious question that so far no one has answered.
Many industries, including finance are moving out of the UK so what is the master plan?

The master plan is to be brilliant

1tisILeClerc why do you care so much?
Do you live in the UK?
It’s just quite a few remainers on Mumsnet don’t actually live here & have no intention of ever living here, it’s just odd that in those circumstances you’d devote so much of your time worrying about us.

@surferjet . I live in the UK. But it wouldn't matter if I didn't if I am a UK citizen.

I'm past giving a fuck. It seems the people of this country are doing their utmost to plant is firmly in the toilet so they can just get on with it.

It’s just leavers are sick to death of people who have no UK voting rights telling us how stupid we are.
I was born here, l decide the future of my country - not someone who’s only been here 5 minutes & flits in & out whenever the mood takes them.

It would appear the master plan is to as why you care so much