Quick poll: what do you think will happen come March 29th?

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• TM's deal
• No Deal
• Revoke
• Something else (please elaborate)

I am British and have lived in Britain for over 58 years and all my family still live there. The fact that those who voted leave are making my life harder now by endangering my ability to work as I travel regularly, and those of my family is more than a bit annoying especially when there is no real reason for the UK to leave. My 'customer base' in the UK has effectively been wiped out as travelling and extra costs will make continuing near impossible. Before the referendum in 2016, only 6% had significant interest in the EU.

@surferjet - a couple of posters on MN whose voting situation you know nothing of do not constitute all the people who voted Remain. Your critical thinking abilities are a bit suspect if you think they are.

Lots of U.K. citizens were not born in the U.K. be careful you don't offend people surfer.

You imply that living in the U.K. should afford voting rights - does that apply to anyone who lives in the U.K?

A huge part of banking and finance has already moved out of London. The City is such a major earner for the UK. I also wonder what the leavers plan is. What industries and businesses will thrive after Brexit?

{A huge part of banking and finance has already moved out of London.}
Will the gleaming London office blocks become the 'dark satanic mills' of the South?

Meghan will have had her baby.

Careful Surfer - you are letting your xenophobia shine out again.

Everyone who is a citizen here is fully entitled to say which direction the country should go in with an equal voice. It's one of the principles of our democracy.

Another principal of democracy is accepting the majority vote wins.
You must stop cherry picking the bits of democracy that suit you.

surferjet I have posted about democracy in great detail on threads you have been on.

Democracy does not mean the tyranny of the majority. It does not mean 51% always wins.

A well balanced democratic system has checks and balances and supports freedom on speech and representation.

You know this it has been pointed out to you multiple times.

So leave voters are all tyrants now are we?
Lol

@surferjet , WA or No Deal? If the former, we have common ground. If the latter, bad bad shit will be visited on all of us and anyone who supports it is to blame.

No surfer that is not what I said. And as I have said before many times democracy is much mor complicated than the majority always wins. If that was the case then it would be the tyranny of the majority.

However, in the U.K. referenda are not binding, Parliament is sovereign and we can legally and constitutionally have another referendum.

bad bad shit will be visited on all of us

😂😂😂😂

I’m off.
An hour on a brexit thread reminds me why I don’t bother anymore.

On another forum an Australian was told to bugger off by a leaver who said that what went on in the UK was none of the Australian's business.

If the UK finds itself in serious trouble with food shortages, power cuts, lack of medicines, etc then certainly aside from the EU, English speaking countries with strong cross-cultural ties such as Canada, the USA, Australia, and New Zealand will be among the first countries to be asked for assistance.

If these countries may well be asked / begged in the very near future to pony up food, money, fuel, medical supplies, etc because the UK is going down the drain then yes, what is going on in the UK right now merits at least some concern with regard to these countries.

Certainly the UK has more in common with these countries than say China or Japan.

Unfortunately these countries are a big ocean away so if the UK requires assistance then the EU is going to be in the best geographical position to help, though that might prove too humiliating for the UK to accept.

So are you not prepared to say, @surferjet? WA or No Deal? Which one.
I'm being polite calling it bad bad shit. Don't you watch the news? Is everyone making it up just to piss you off?
Or maybe it's just time for you to clock off. Doesn't Putin give you overtime?

{Unfortunately these countries are a big ocean away so if the UK requires assistance then the EU is going to be in the best geographical position to help}
I presume you realise that the food itself is not the issue, as it is available now, and will be post March 2019 it is 'only' the issue of transportation 'permits and licenses' and of course paying for it.
Once the permits are sorted it will be a case of cost if/when the Pound takes a dive, which would be pretty much the same issue if food were to be sourced from anywhere else. It would have to be a LOT cheaper if it were to be shipped from the USA, to compensate for the increased distance and freight cost.

I was born here, l decide the future of my country - not someone who’s only been here 5 minutes & flits in & out whenever the mood takes them.

No. You don’t. You’re not involved at all. You took 20 minutes out of your life to put a cross on a piece of paper. That’s all.

Your right to vote doesn’t give you a right not to be deemed stupid by anyone. If you think it does, then you are stupid.

LeClerc

Yea, this thing has so many angles and heads it can be hard to keep track. When one thinks of a hungry people who need food, it's natural to just think of shipping and how much can you spare.

If transportation is clogged up or just plain paralyzed due to internal bureaucratic issues inside a country then that becomes a very complex issue.

On the " Three Blokes in a Pub " series, the more experts they talk to on various issues regarding a no deal exit the more bewildered they become at the immense complexity of it all.

I read about the Care Packages that were sent to the UK during WW2 from various allied countries and how happy the British were to get them. I am not sure exactly how much food each person was alloted by the UK government during that time, though it seemed to be quite limited in amount and variety.

This reminds me of a Star Trek Deep Space Nine episode where Nog and Chief O' Brian are on I think it was a runabout and they were discussing the possibility of getting stranded if they took a certain course of action.

Nog being the inexperienced but eager young cadet says " Don't worry Chief, we can survive for months on emergency rations if we have to ! ". The Chief who had had to do this before in times past says " Sure ! But wait till you find out what the morale of the crew is like after they have been eating nothing but emergency rations after a few weeks ".

Food and the variety of it is very important for morale, even more so than new clothes or laptops or cell phones. Given the sheer bureaucratic mess that no deal would represent, it might be difficult to get even free food through if any country cares to give it.

Remainers don't live in the UK?? WTF? I admit I spent some time out in Europe, but not coming from a well-off background and not having been there long we thought it best to come back earlier rather than late and forced. My family are all very much British, and low class, for centuries, I wish someone had been a bit more exciting or richer so that we had rights to Irish passports or something!

The French, spanish, Italians etc will still be producing food, and can get it to the ferries as they do now, no problem at all. The ferries are still there waiting to take them across and as a concession (in a no deal scenario) the EU has said that it's drivers can take it onwards into the UK as now for another 9 or 12 months. Signing up for the WA would regularise this for a couple of years at least. So it is a case of getting some agreements together in terms of allowing drivers and payments for the goods. Oh and customs, but in an emergency the UK could wave it in as long as the lorries leave the UK empty. Inefficient and expensive but it's on Mrs May's tab.

Yes, if we wave it all in, absolutely nobody will sneak into the lorries. And absolutely no food distributor will put any old shit in their lorry to send over. That would never happen.

You need to decide if you want a bit of a risk of lorries that get waved in (you can security check them somewhere of course, that aspect will be left to the British) or would you prefer the 'phantom' ships via Ramsgate?

Or the other option is baby milk formula from China along with fake eggs.

I suppose a better option than trying to ship supplies clear across an ocean would be for say the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and whomever might else might wish to join in to provide some type of multi-national loan to the UK.

The money would pay for supplies from the EU ( thus helping to limit damage to EU firms from a no-deal ) and thus would be a lot more cost efficient. There might be a grace period of say five years before the first interest payments on the loan were due.

The first interest payments might start out small and increase each year until they reach an appropriate amount. To limit questionable goods, only supplies from trusted and well established firms might be allowed.

A loan instead of some type of grant might help avoid the issue of no-deal and its aftermath being self-inflicted by the UK.