Westministenders: Its Really Not Getting Any Better Is It?

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We are STILL on collision course for no deal.

Christmas is here, and whilst we might appreciate the respite from Brexit News, its really a luxury we can't afford.

The meaningful vote is scheduled for January.

Chaos is scheduled for shortly after.

I wish you all a happy and enjoyable Christmas.

I believe the aliens have already invaded. They are able to assume the form of drones.

By the same token, a lightening strike taking out an entire office also has every chance of never happening - yet disaster recovery and business continuity are still "things".

But disaster recovery and business continuity plans are useful in every scenario including fire, snow, floods, power shortages, civil unrest and Brexit. That's all taken care of.

Spending a lot of money planning for nutters running the country into the ground isn't going to happen for any properly-run 'micro-business'.

I don't think it's ever going to happen but if it does the country's going to be so fucked up that there's nothing I could do to my business to protect it. So I won't be making any concrete plans until March 30th, unless a client wants me to put something in place to protect their particular interests - in which case they'll be paying me for the privilege. Nobody's asked for assistance yet, despite me sending out emails every month informing them what they could be doing in partnership with my business to mitigate any problems.

Everyone's just waiting to see what happens, because I think most business owners are canny people who assume that people in government are acting in a well-considered way, whether there's Machiavellian intent or not. It's very rarely that, particularly with the benefit of hindsight, you can't see the logic behind political decisions, even though you might disagree with the intent behind them. And from that perspective this 'no deal' bollocks is about as likely to happen as me becoming Pope.

All the decision makers keep talking and writing in such generalities,
that each of the umpteen sides can put their own very different slant on these statements and claim victory

However, in reality, we don't know where we are, what is happening, what will happen or even what can happen

Maybe it's because if the depths of the danger we're in were actually known, there would be riots and revolution

Oh quiet that sucks. So sorry to hear that.

If I were wanting favours from someone I wouldn't go about it by being abusive, disrespectful, telling lies and delaying actions/plans beyond the last scheduled minute.

After many years working in both customer services and project management I have found it is quite remarkable just how many people do think this is exactly how you go about getting favours from people.

If you want favours from someone, you have to have something of value they need (or see they might need).

I'm afraid there's nothing that special about the UK. We're just a country. Like any other country. We're not Gods chosen.

Fishes "assume that people in government are acting in a well-considered way," 😂😂

Oh how I wish I had your high opinion of this govt or this HoC and could assume as you do,
that they were considering what would benefit the country, rather than the hedge-funders or their party.

I wish they hadn't invoked A50 with less thought than most of us would invest in buying a new pair of shoes.

Any of the 3 available choices Revoke / WA / No Deal would seriously harm the Tory party
so they are just flailing around in panic and rage at the mess they've got us all into.

An E27 govt leader said of the Brexit negotiations:

“The UK basically jumped into the ocean blindfold, and started paddling round in circles.

It was almost like it expected the EU not just to say what Brexit should look like,
but to devise a version of it that would suit Britain.”

The big problem is that No Deal is the default that happens automatically unless the UK specifically does something to stop it before 11pm on 29 March^

If Revoke or the WA were the default, I wouldn't be very worried.

Maybe it's because if the depths of the danger we're in were actually known, there would be riots and revolution

I believed you were a rational and intelligent person until you argued against my professional knowledge and easily proved facts to try and prove your mistaken belief about the meaning of 'cabotage'. It's not even particularly important but you repeatedly argued, based on your limited knowledge of the subject, that my knowledge of the subject (my actual career!) was less than yours, even when presented with indisputable proof that you're wrong.

It's quite hard to take anything you say seriously when you act like a 'la-la-la, I'm not listening' Leaver when presented with provable facts.

Bigchoc you won't get UK courts spelling out how democratic processes have to happen. That is the job of Parliament. That is the key difference between the UK and eg US constitutional framework.

I think the Supreme Court dodged the Art 50 revocation question in the first place to avoid giving the impression of constitutional over reach. As long as the UK Parliament does nothing to Revoke the ability to do so is indeed irrelevant and by having Parliament endorse the original invoking the Supreme Court further insulated the judiciary.

BiglyBadgers
Did you find that their strategy worked?

we're just a country

But...we have the Lock Ness Monster! Blantantly everyone in the EU wants access to Nessie

We have ONE DAY of chaos at Gatwick and the army have been called in.

Quiet, so sorry to hear your news.

I'm thoroughly depressed.

I wish the government would just say No Deal is policy. Then I could let go of the hope of staying. But they won't precisely because of all the MPs who would resign the whip.

Its three months of torture and uncertainity.

As long as the UK Parliament does nothing to Revoke the ability to do so is indeed irrelevant

They need to know how they can revoke in order to plan a revoke. So they need to know ASAP.

howabout So, if the HoC ever voted to Revoke, do we know what would happen ?
I've looked up constitutional experts, but noone yet has blogged on these specifics.

Politically, it must have a huge effect and would be great political cover if May was secretly ready to revoke.

But what is she is genuinely so stubborn that she insists its her WA or No Deal ?
I can't fathom her thought processes, other than she hates all immigrants who aren't zillionaire conservatives.

What Brexit has shown me - among many other things - is that we MUST have a written constitution, that includes:

• the responsibilities and powers of the HoC, PM, HoL, Monarch (assuming we keep the last 2)
• in which areas the HoC can take action, instead of just refusing to pass govt bill
• under what circumstances the HoL can overrule the HoC and the Monarch can overrule both
• when the courts can be brought in to decide

We are just hoping to muddle through somehow.
A continuation of the total lack of thought in the whole Brexit saga, by those responsible for carrying it out

This is no way for a supposedly modern advanced country, the #5/6 economy in the world, to decide its future

red I suppose the army could shoot any drones

We are set to become the 7th Biggest Economy in the World in 2019. Regardless of the type of Brexit.

But what if she is genuinely so stubborn that she insists its her WA or No Deal ?

She is. I'm pretty sure of it unfortunately.

BigChoc, they've ruled out shooting them down because they are worried about stray bullets.

Why they don't have drones to take out other drones surprises me more.

Mrsr8 Miserable to be skint and hungry in winter,
but Christmas must be the worst, when everyone else is buying tons of stuff and feasting

If there is No Deal, I dread to think of the run-up to Christmas 2019, when problems will have piled up

and 2020 too, when all the EU's contingency measures will have expired and the Uk will be dependent on those glorious deals the govt have made for us around the world

If the HoC / May have any sense of responsibility, they'll choose another option.

red I read this in Guardian Live a few hours ago - I don't know if the sharpshooters have been withdraw since:

"Sharpshooters' arrive at Gatwick
 Haroon Siddique
Earlier, Gatwick said police could not shoot down the drone because of the risk posed by stray bullets but images taken at the airport suggest there may have been a change of heart."

{We are set to become the 7th Biggest Economy in the World in 2019. Regardless of the type of Brexit.}
Following this with Mrsr8's comments tells you there is something seriously wrong with the UK. The 'moral compass' of government particularly is truly broken.

The Brexit Department is working on No Deal preparations - which I would take as a sign that everyone should be thinking about what that might mean

Friends working in businesses on planning and preparations say that they have mapped out a number of different scenarios, but it's almost impossible to do anything properly meaningful without the detail of what will and won't happen on March 29th and, say, six months down the road.

DH has been told he could be out of a job in January. He's only been there a few months, & is on a long-term temp contract, so no security, but he'd previously been told it should be until July at least, & maybe longer. It's his first job in a really long time. I could just cry. We won't even find out until after Christmas.

So sorry, Bovril 💐
It's a terrible time to try to get interviews for something else and it sounds like you're in an area with very few suitable jobs anyway