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Second Referendum

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MyNameIsArthur · 15/12/2018 09:37

If there was a second referendum, how would you phrase the question on the ballot paper? I thought maybe it should be phrased in the following way in two parts but I'm not sure. What do you think?

A) Do you wish for the UK to Remain in the EU or to leave the EU ?

B) If the majority of the UK votes to leave the EU, do you wish for the UK to leave with:

                    1         Theresa May's deal
                    2          No deal
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1tisILeClerc · 20/12/2018 23:02

{If the UK wont sign, the UK has leverage.}
Wrong, the EU accept that the UK is leaving. Granted their preparations are not complete yet but there is no real 'leverage' available to the UK.

1tisILeClerc · 20/12/2018 23:04

Don't forget the default is 'No Deal' and the EU are working to that scenario. The EU negotiators can have a nice Christmas and wait until 29 March afternoon for the UK PM to turn up if they wanted.

missesbiggens · 20/12/2018 23:12

You have a very, very naive view of EU politics and politicians. Where have you been???????? This is all strategy, getting the upper hand, making the public pay for voting out, making the UK government pay for not doing what they are supposed to and ignoring the outcome. The threats have been there since waaaaay before the referendum itself.

And you are wrong about the leverage. We have lots, parliament just has to have the backbone to use it.

missesbiggens · 20/12/2018 23:16

And while Varadkar has been having a go at playing the big man with his mates behind him, ultimately it will be Ireland that pays the biggest price if we go no deal. That there is a huge part of your leverage.

1tisILeClerc · 20/12/2018 23:21

missesbiggens
In your weird fantasyland.

1tisILeClerc · 20/12/2018 23:24

You missed the memo that it is the UK that is leaving, the EU owes the UK nothing.
Yes Ireland will take an economic hit, but it will get assistance from the EU.

Neweternal · 21/12/2018 15:40

@1tisILeClerc Ireland got help from the UK during the financial crisis not the EU. Ireland's PM has been very difficult in negotiations.

DGRossetti · 21/12/2018 16:00

One thing that is amusing about Brexit is how posters who would struggle to name their own MP let alone MEP are suddenly experts in what the EU will do.

Maybe Gove was right then - seems we have had enough of experts.

Oh, dear. Was that sneery ?

FishesaPlenty · 21/12/2018 16:00

@1tisILeClerc Ireland got help from the UK during the financial crisis not the EU

Errm no. The UK lent €4 billion as part of a €85 billion bailout package from the IMF, The EU/Eurozone and non-Eurozone EU members, including the UK.

Don't let facts get in the way of your opinion though.

Neweternal · 21/12/2018 19:32

@DGRossetti totally insulting. Voting for Brexit is a choice over 17 million made. They are not all imbeciles just like remainers we're not all lefties and elitists. People have
CHOICE do not insult people because they have exercised their democratic right and it happens to be different from yours. I still believe in Brexit and still would vote for it. Perhaps you might change your mind if we stay in and the new poor Baltic nations join (which they're suppose to next year) or when you child has to do service in the European Army? Although I expect the EU will be gone in 20 years.

jasjas1973 · 21/12/2018 19:42

Neweternal

The nations described as the Baltic states/nations joined in 2004...

FishesaPlenty · 21/12/2018 19:48

Voting for Brexit is a choice over 17 million made. They are not all imbeciles

Not all of them no, you're certainly not raising the average IQ though.

Perhaps you might change your mind if we stay in and the new poor Baltic nations join (which they're suppose to next year)

Perhaps you might like to tell us which 'new poor Baltic nations' are about to join?

They're all already members. the only country with any Baltic shoreline which isn't already an EU member is Russia!

FishesaPlenty · 21/12/2018 19:52

Presumably Neweternal's got their Baltics, Balkans, Brexit and Bollocks all mixed up.

jasjas1973 · 21/12/2018 19:55

The Balkan (which is probably what you meant) nations that are in negotiation now, are at the very earliest set to join in 2025, however, considering what went on there in the 90's, joining the EU may well stop a re-occurrence and that should be welcomed.

The bar to join has been raised in recent years and so has the FOM side too on new members.

Just Project fear isn't it?

1tisILeClerc · 21/12/2018 20:01

The Balkans are having a bit of a verbal scrap at the moment anyway as some want to 'rearrange' the locations of the ethnic groups and have segregation rather than a mix. The outcomes of this would probably affect EU membership.

1tisILeClerc · 21/12/2018 20:02

The politics in Turkey have scuppered any intention they had to join.

jasjas1973 · 21/12/2018 20:02

Ha Ha but it does go to show why we should never have been asked this complex and permanent question in the first place.

People haven't the time, knowledge or intellect to make such decisions.

I may well need a hip operation, do i ask down at my local pub or see an Orthopedic surgeon ? A brexitier would take the advice of the pub crowd Hmm

Neweternal · 21/12/2018 20:05

@jasjas1973 Macadonia and Albania are suppose to joining the from the Balkan

Moussemoose · 21/12/2018 20:19

Baltic / Balkan are we allowed to laugh or is that patronising?

Pmsl

FishesaPlenty · 21/12/2018 20:22

So Balkans rather than Baltic and certainly not next year.

The combined population of Macedonia and Albania is around half the population of London. They're poor countries on the doorstep of the EU, with troubled histories. Why on earth would anyone have a problem with them joining the EU if they can meet all the required standards? Geographically they're in the heart of the southern EU, it makes sense for them to be members. Excluding them because they're 'poor' is analogous to building walls around poorer areas of London to keep the residents in their proper place.

jasjas1973 · 21/12/2018 20:23

Perhaps you might change your mind if we stay in and the new poor Baltic nations join (which they're suppose to next year)

then we have.....

Macadonia and Albania are suppose to joining the from the Balkan

First off, your geography is all over the place!

Secondly, i ve already told you they wont join until at the earliest 2025, if at all!!! the politics of the EU may well see them knocked back.

3rd : i dont really see your objection, boost these countries economies and we can sell them our manufactured goods, we take some of the poorest out of poverty, foster peace, reduce the influence of Russia and perhaps even China (currently building airports in Greenland FFS!!!)

FishesaPlenty · 21/12/2018 20:24

are we allowed to laugh or is that patronising

Outward-facing Leavers wanting to do deals with the whole world...

Now where's that map..?

jasjas1973 · 21/12/2018 20:27

@Neweternal You are coming across as a little englander! Pull up the draw bridge!

The world has moved on & Just like Trump and his isolationist policies, it well not end well.

Neweternal · 21/12/2018 21:35

@jasjas1973 You know may be I am a little Englander. We've been treated terribly by some countries in the EU and we win the war for them, that's gratitude!

Moussemoose · 21/12/2018 21:42

Did the USSR have anything to do with wining WW2?

Should Europe be grateful to Russia?

Stop posting or change you name you are embarrassing yourself.

Won btw past tense.