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For those who say no deal is Project Fear, why?

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Deadsouls · 14/12/2018 09:07

Just listening to radio 4 and A Tory minister (didn't catch name), said no deal would be 'difficult' but not a catastrophe as some have predicted. He was saying that it was nonsense and project fear to say it would disastrous for the UK.
But, the conflict of opinion is so confusing. Disaster/not a disaster, project fear/project reality.

So my question is to ppl who advocate no deal, why would it be better than deal or no Brexit?

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recently · 16/12/2018 11:02

Jesus wept. The "we'll be fine on WTO rules" crowd need to watch that!
I know! I have been very careful not to name call when debating Brexit with family and friends but if anyone who thinks WTO rules are better than EU rules is a prize idiot.

bellinisurge · 16/12/2018 11:16

I haven't posted it on FB. I live in a massive Leave area and want to keep my head down. I'm a prepper and don't want to draw attention to myself. Happy for anyone else to if they feel they can.

1tisILeClerc · 16/12/2018 11:37

That video at 30 minutes and being well presented should be linked in an email to all MPs. I have just sent it to mine.
I would urge you all to send it on.
With the likes of Jeremy Hunt and Peter Bone claiming that the UK will be better out, I would like them, and any others with that view to explain HOW. The video highlights 8 significant problems so even if they could magically explain 4 of them away there is still a massive problem.

averylongtimeago · 16/12/2018 15:05

Well no surprise why our local mp is supporting a hard Brexit -

Always look for the money- it will usually answer the question.

For those who say no deal is Project Fear, why?
epicclusterfuck · 17/12/2018 11:34

bellini that video is the the best and at the same time most terrifying summary I have seen.

Simply put being in the EU gives the best deal we can get, anything else will always be a poorer deal than we get in the EU.

Surely the only thing that can happen now is to revoke article 50?

1tisILeClerc · 17/12/2018 12:55

{Simply put being in the EU gives the best deal we can get, anything else will always be a poorer deal than we get in the EU.}
Absolutely, that is the definition of being a member. If you are not then EVERYTHING will be at least a bit 'worse' whether a simple 1% or 10%.
The ERG are trying to suggest that they can get 'better ' deals from the UK trade with other countries. Saying it and showing the workings are different things. You can say you are 'Superwoman' but unless you can prove you can fly it is just rubbish.
Deals through our membership of the EU are with the major countries that have money, and stuff we might actually want. The ones that don't have trade deals we access through the EU mostly do not have stuff we want. Thus in some ways the ERG are correct, we could do great trade deals, but what would the UK want with 25 million tons of African goat meat?

prettybird · 17/12/2018 13:01

Indeed. The more loony of the Brexiters who witter on about the "fantastic trade deals" that the UK will be able to get on its own once unfettered from the EU Hmm, conveniently ignore that the EU has "most favoured nation" clauses in its trade agreements. Confused

So anything extra the UK negotiates, the EU will get too Grin

recently · 17/12/2018 13:24

Plus we don't actually produce that much or have that many resources as a country. A lot of our wealth is generated from service industries and the financial sector - both of which rely heavily on us being in the EU. We really have shot ourselves in the foot.

HoustonBess · 18/12/2018 18:56

People support a no deal brexit because it's clear the deal is a pile of shit and no deal is therefore the only thing from saving them from admitting that they were wrong all along. Brexit is a terrible idea. Nice slogans, awful reality.

1tisILeClerc · 18/12/2018 19:18

You can only support a 'no deal' Brexit if you have no brain or imagination as to what will happen, or you have a big pile of money and probably 'betting' on the UK's collapse in some way.
No deal is not 'nothing will happen', it actually means a lot of very bad things will happen starting in the morning of 30 March.

akerman · 19/12/2018 01:40

I'm afraid double lost me at the point when she implied that her reading of aviation law carried the same weight as a professor of European Law, whose interpretation she dismissed because she suspected a Remain bent.
He is trained to understand the implications and consequences of laws. He can read the subtext that non-experts cannot.
And until we lose this ridiculous notion that the feelings and opinions of non-experts are worth exactly the same (or in this case more) than people who have spent their lives developing expertise in a specific field, then we will stay in big trouble. It makes me so very angry. It is a chilling illustration of the way in which education is not properly valued in the UK.

LegoPiecesEverywhere · 19/12/2018 06:00

According to this article 3500 troops on standby to help deal with medical and food shortages as Britain prepares for a no deal Brexit. How is project fear working out for the Brexiteers now? As a non British watching from afar I cannot believe people want to do this to their own country.

m.independent.ie/business/brexit/3500-troops-on-standby-as-uk-ramps-up-nodeal-brexit-plans-37640143.html

BoboEK · 19/12/2018 10:05

Anyone thing WTO is fine need to really do some homework.

It really is not funny anymore.

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