Why is Corbyn not trying to topple May now?

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As a Leaver and a Conservative party voter I am wondering why JC isn't doing something like this. I would hate him in power but is it because he knows it would be another hung parliament or that he doesn't want to actually lead the country. He just wants to protest.

If I was Labour I would want someone like Stammer or Cooper to balance the more drastic views of JC, DA or JM but they don't seem for moving.

Just interested - don't want it to happen btw!

I was concerned this poster meant "disenfranchise".
Is this like "Corbyn didn't lose apart from losing "

missesbiggens The UK government did campaign for Remain and had a duty to do so, given that all the available evidence suggested that the UK would be in a worse position if it left. All of the current government's impact studies suggest the UK will be worse off in all Brexit scenarios except remaining.

A lot of people voted leave for a lot of different reasons, some people believe that any financial hit to the UK economy and the knock on effects of that, are worth it. Some people will do very nicely out of any financial hit to the UK economy. Most people won't.

If he thinks he could do such a good job of uniting the country why is he not screaming it from the roof tops

What’s going on now is Brexit-which is a shambles and the country/government/parliament is totally divided over.

I don’t think anybody could unite the country over Brexit. TM certainly can’t but I don’t think anyone else can either.

What I find very odd is the people who absolutely believe we can go back to the fifties, be self sufficient. And in a relatively short time frame, with fuck all investment, and that companies would be so desperate to be part of the U.K., they'd all be flocking here to set up factories and start producing medication and goods that we import from abroad.

I have a tradesman working here who is adamant we should crash out with no deal and that within three or four years we'd be able to produce all the things we buy abroad. Because we were self sufficient once and would be able to be again. That we should become a stranded island.

It's really disturbing the lack of realism and understanding of the world today and how it's evolved.

The naivety is horrible.

We haven't been self sufficient in food for a long long time - something like 150 years.

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your tradesman is probably feeling that because of all the cheap eu labour undercutting him and keeping his wages lower

in turn fewer youngsters see any value in becoming a trade having been pushed towards a university degree so that they can become a captain of industry

All that a lot of people want is a points based immigration system based on need rather than a wave of unskilled labour , but anyone previously suggesting this gets branded a rascist

Yes fair point on the foreign labour,

And we aren't self sufficient on food, have you walked round a supermarket recently?

As has been said, Corbyn doesn’t want to be PM. What he wants is enough time to re-wire the Labour Party so that the far left will be in charge for ever. He’s most of the way there already.

With Labour you aren’t looking at a party of government anymore. You’re looking at a far left cult. The fact that it will wither and die - amidst much mockery for its political clowning - doesn’t matter to the true believers.

I dont think everyone is bothered about us being self sufficient or living in the 50s but a lot of working class people have watched unskilled eu migration and low skilled migrants take over their jobs

Its all a bit late now but most people just want some fairness on immigration

If this country couldnt get enough nurses for eg the employers would have to make it more attractive either by salary or conditions or a number of measures
Our trained nurses keep going to Australia for eg for better wages , status and conditions etc leaving us short but rather than raise wages for uk nurses we accept eu migrants which in turn lowers the nurses conditions , status etc and our Uk school leavers all think fuck that I am going to Uni and going to work for Alan Sugar instead

A points based system with proper UK training for trades and professions not glorified YTS or Uni for everyone

Billy So, as a leaver, if the UK stayed in the EU but FOM was altered to suit,you d be happy to stay?
there are many in Brussels that want to do exactly that!

Do you want to pay higher taxes for nurse wages and free training? then yes i'm all for that! my DD would love that prospect esp as she is being offered 2x her uk potential uk salary to move to Auss.

The UK Gov and business could improve training for uk workers in or out of the EU and post brexit, there is no sign they will do so, just recruit from overseas as per normal.

The recruiting from overseas is a short term solution and should be part of a package to include training

My personal view is that in the long term we would be better off out of the eu so that we are paddling our own boat so to speak

However this is not easily or quickly achievable as there are decades of rules etc to undo and a lot of differing views to consider

its the expectation of a lot of school leavers that worries me that they are all encouraged into further education and seem to believe they will fall into a 40k pa job
A lot of these do not consider a trade or traditional profession as they seem to think its beneath them
Jeremy Corbyn has attracted the support of a lot of these school leavers but he has to be aware that there are a lot of disguntled working class that will not vote for him
That may be part of the reason that he will not push himself forward

I would have no problem paying higher taxes to fund training , care for the elderly as long as I could see value in it and not being wasted on crap and fax machines etc