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Why is Corbyn not trying to topple May now?

88 replies

sunglasses123 · 13/12/2018 17:03

As a Leaver and a Conservative party voter I am wondering why JC isn't doing something like this. I would hate him in power but is it because he knows it would be another hung parliament or that he doesn't want to actually lead the country. He just wants to protest.

If I was Labour I would want someone like Stammer or Cooper to balance the more drastic views of JC, DA or JM but they don't seem for moving.

Just interested - don't want it to happen btw!

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missesbiggens · 13/12/2018 19:23

Helmet by name, helmet by nature eh?

jasjas1973 · 13/12/2018 19:24

sunglasses123

what exactly do you think JC should do? the DUP have said they will support the Cons in a confidence motion and no tory will vote for a GE, so a vote of no confidence will fail and Labour will look weak.

JC is doing exactly what he should do at present and let the Tories destroy themselves all on their ownsome, they need no help in this!

for the future, he'll have to come off the fence and either support a revoke or a PV, the Government is in dead lock and despite our best wishes, Parliament , like the nation is split.

missesbiggens · 13/12/2018 19:25

JC might also not have the backing of his party for the no confidence vote. The numbers on it haven't been crunched, and like the tory party, the idea of destabilising the government four months before departure is probably disconcerting at least.

Helmetbymidnight · 13/12/2018 19:27

Least I’m not a brexiteer pretending that Brexit is for ‘the proleteriat’ .

Holidayshopping · 13/12/2018 19:27

@jasjas1973 that’s exactly it.

I’m still hopeful for a PV.

jasjas1973 · 13/12/2018 19:38

Absolutely! so long as Parliament doesn't vote through this WA! which is a dogs dinner and a can kicking exercise!

As for a PV over turning the referendum? NO that is not the reason, a PV is required because Parliament nor the nation know what the fcuk they want! and unless we are absolutely certain of the new direction the country wishes to take, we risk this division never healing and that will be very bad for all of us.

Jason118 · 13/12/2018 19:39

*@missesbiggens *
Like I say, whenever a second referendum is held in the EU when the proletariat give the wrong answer the first time, they always somehow give the 'right' one the second time. Weird, huh?
Just because you say it doesn't add any truth to it. I presume you mean the Irish vote on Lisbon? You know, the one they voted down and the EU addressed their concerns (because they could), and once addressed the Irish agreed? So in both cases they knew what they were voting for, how very grown up of them. We have a lot to learn in the UK.

gamerwidow · 13/12/2018 19:44

I think it suits his purposes to have everything turn to shit. He’s quite happy to let everything burn if it means he can rebuild on his terms.
So disillusioned with Labour, they don’t really give a shit about what happens to the working classes they are supposed to represent. They’re just idealogues.

BlueJag · 13/12/2018 19:45

Because it's a poison chalice.

Biologifemini · 13/12/2018 19:45

Corbyn has consistently voted against every EU bill. He wants Brexit but has the decency to stay quiet while it gets sorted out by other people.
I don’t think Brexit can effectively be delivered by either party.
I’d like to remain personally but I am not sure another referendum would change things.

missesbiggens · 13/12/2018 19:54

Denmark, Maastricht Treaty, early 1990s
Ireland, Nice Treaty 2004
France & NL, European COnstitution, 2005

so changed it's name and added a few amendments to become lisbon treaty, further referenda run but NOT in Netherlands and France who signed it without asking the people. And this time Ireland votes NO, then yes a year alter when asked again. Our PM promised a referendum then sent someone on the sly to sign up to it.

And they didn't bother running a second referendum on the Greek bailout when that was voted against. They just did it anyway, but with worse conditions.

The Netherlands voted no to the treaty with the Ukraine. They didn't get a second referendum. Instead, the law was changed so that referendums don't have to held anymore on EU treaties. Nice, eh?

Oakenbeach · 13/12/2018 20:29

Simple... Because he’d lose a vote of ‘no confidence’.

Peregrina · 13/12/2018 21:08

Corbyn got the perfect result for himself in the last election - destroyed May's majority but doesn't have to deliver on Brexit.

Bearbehind · 13/12/2018 22:01

He wants Brexit but has the decency to stay quiet while it gets sorted out by other people.

No he doesn’t- have the decency to keep quite that is. Quite agree he wants Brexit to happen.

He trots our the same old line every time along the lines of ‘She needs to make way for a party who will x,y,z’

It’s pitiful that our country is being run and opposed by such a bunch of fuckwits who simply churn out the same pre-programmes mantras.

GCAcademic · 13/12/2018 22:02

Because no politician wants to be in charge of this fucking mess. Look at how quickly Cameron ran away from his own shit. Look at how all the Tory leadership contenders fell by the wayside in 2016 before even getting to a vote.

Jason118 · 13/12/2018 22:07

@missesbiggens
The Netherlands voted no to the treaty with the Ukraine. They didn't get a second referendum. Instead, the law was changed so that referendums don't have to held anymore on EU treaties. Nice, eh?
60 odd percent in favour on an advisory referendum with a 30 odd percent turnout - of course they took no notice

JeremyCorbynsBeard · 13/12/2018 22:19

He'd be daft to topple May now. She's more than capable of fucking everything up so he should let her do it.

The Conservatives are nothing but self-serving, greedy bastards who think they're doing a great job.

They're clearly not. So Corbyn is just biding his time until they've ruined everything that's left to ruin. And I think he's quite right.

JeremyCorbynsBeard · 13/12/2018 22:22

And many people only voted leave because they were lied to/are racist/want a return to the 1950s. Take that lot out of the equation and the result would have been very different.

gamerwidow · 14/12/2018 06:16

And many people only voted leave because they were lied to/are racist/want a return to the 1950s. Take that lot out of the equation and the result would have been very different.
Well yes if you just ignore the views of everyone you disagree with then you’ll always get 100% consensus

Bluntness100 · 14/12/2018 06:26

At the time of the last general election my daughter was all besotted with Corbyn she was a uni student, he really had the youth vote. She was so besotted she joined the Labour Party.

She's now 21, left uni in the summer, and has also left the Labour Party. He can't win, he's pretty much lost the youth vote he had and he knows it. But more importantly he doesn't wish to be prime minister at this time. Whatever he is, he's not an idiot and he knows the kind of pain that would be.

The truth is none of them really want to do it right now. They know it, and Teresa May knows it, and we all know it. She really is rhe only one who is willing to step up and do this.

Bluntness100 · 14/12/2018 06:55

So Corbyn is just biding his time until they've ruined everything that's left to ruin. And I think he's quite right

Ruin what? And for whom? The British people? You think he deliberately making sur things are ruined for Britain?

And what do you mean biding his time? The blokes 70. You can't think thr laws of the natural world don't apply to him and he's not feeling it, and has the stamina to run around working the 18 hour days she does, every single day?

bellinisurge · 14/12/2018 07:19

"And many people only voted leave because they were lied to/are racist/want a return to the 1950s. Take that lot out of the equation and the result would have been very different."
Define "take out of the equation "

billysboy · 14/12/2018 07:40

And many people only voted leave because they were lied to/are racist/want a return to the 1950s. Take that lot out of the equation and the result would have been very different

This pretty much sums up most remainers views that I have spoken to !

Its a very difficult problem to solve as no one really wants the job that TM has

Corbyn is just an old leftie has been enjoying some popularity of the snowflakes

If he thinks he could do such a good job of uniting the country why is he not screaming it from the roof tops

frumpety · 14/12/2018 07:40

I guess it depends on what you expect an opposition to do ? Are you suggesting that Corbyn et al should support staying in the EU ? From a political party perspective, the best course of action for the Labour party is to carry on allowing the Conservatives to tear themselves apart. To Conservatives need to finish what they started, whatever outcome that entails.

Bluntness100 · 14/12/2018 07:45

Define "take out of the equation

Well I'm not the poster but it's very obvious they mean if the public wasn't lied to, there weren't racists amongst us, and if some folks didn't want a return to the 50s, then the result wouldn't have been to leave.

What is there to define?

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