Can anyone please explain the lack of political corporation re. Brexit

[Iamdanish]

Hi, not British. Can you please explain. From the outside it appears that when Britain voted leave, you (I) would expect all politicians to stand together in a united front against the EU in order to get the best deal possible.
What am I missing? From here it appears that making the deal wasn't the most tricky part but that domestically everybody is trying to destroy each other? I would expect my politicians to work together, and that the people would rebell against those who only saw it as a chance to excel in domestic politics.
Please set me right 😊 sorry for language, hope this makes sense.

Yes why would you want to join together with countries you have been at war with...?

To STOP fighting them.

No war in Western Europe since 1945. Longest period of peace. Why would anyone want that?

For the record, IamDanish, and to answer your question, the ongoing conflict about the result of the vote on this thread alone should show you why politicians aren't cooperating and the public is not uniting to get them to do so. Everyone is at war, no one respects anyone else's opinion, intelligence or right to a free and democratic vote (if it's the wrong one).

MPs disagree with their constituents, and vice versa. And nobody wants to give ground. It will be a long time before the country can come together again after this.

We haven't been at war with China for even longer than that, and yet we haven't set up a new government, court and parliament with them.

poster Moussemoose, this is in my opinion the best of the EU -trying to keep the peace. And with the EU we can have a say in world politics. Not so when we are just separate "small" countries not to be reckoned with.

What? China? I can't even begin to decipher what that is all about.

Western Europe has had wars, large and small regularly for the last 1000 years +.

Since 1945 we have had a long, continuous period of peace because countries learnt the lesson of Versailles. The EU has contributed significantly to this peace.

You appear to be under the impression we fought all of Western Europe during WW2.

All decisions related to the EU were negotiated, debated and voted on by our democratically elected, sovereign parliament. They didn't just happen as if by magic.

We haven't been at war with China for even longer than that, and yet we haven't set up a new government, court and parliament with them.
What????!

The thing is Iamdanish many British people don't regard themselves as belonging to a small country. In their minds we still rule the world.

People believe we stood alone during WW2, conveniently forgetting, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, India, South Africa and multiple other countries who supported and helped us.

There is a belief we still have the influence alone that we had 100 years ago with an empire.

I am not under the impression we were at war with all of Europe. I know our politicians got us into this, I have said as much consistently. They had no right to do so. The Lisbon Treaty was a pivotal moment that led almost directly to this leave vote. There should have been much more consultation with the UK voter on how much integration was acceptable and the pace of that.

Iamdanish,
missesbiggens is very angry about something and is shouting over your perfectly reasoned thread. She obviously doesn't understand the concept of European unity.
What is happening in the UK is that some who have a personal disagreement with the EU, rightly or wrongly are trying to mess up the brilliant cooperation that those in schools, universities and industry have enjoyed with increasing ease as the EU has improved. I was at a party recently in Brussels where most there worked for a Danish organisation helping women and girls in Afghanistan and Myanmar, among other places that had been very badly abused. Of the 14 people there there were 9 European countries represented plus the USA and Canada, meaning that only a couple came from the same countries, yet they were working with a common cause. This is what being European is all about.

Our elected, sovereign parliament had every right to make those decisions!

That is exactly how our representative democracy works.

This is why people won't cooperate Iamdanish because there is a frightening lack of understanding as too how the British constitution works.

To me, stupidity is signing up to an economic trading partnership with neighbouring countries you've just been at war

WTF? the war finished decades ago! even Farage doesn't come out with shite like thsi!
My Grandad, who served in 2 WW's plus his son, who was a WW2 RAF pilot, both voted to remain in the EEC.

Which WW did you fight in? or don't you know what your talking about...again! lol!

Missesbiggins, you are right. From what I have seen on MN apparently you are having a civil war "in words". In my opinion this is sad, and hence my questions as it is very hard to understand from the outside.

I do understand the concept of European unity. Of course I do. If I didn't understand it, I might very well have voted for more of it. I am not shouting either and I am sorry that you feel that way. I am being fairly rational and level headed. I am not the one ranting about russians and bombs and relating it to the democaratic right to vote to leave the EU without being bullied.

Jasjas, it might be better to read the whole comment before jumping in with your response.....

Please, let's be civil. Can anyone tell me what you are hoping for if Brexit fails?

{the democaratic right to vote to leave the EU without being bullied.}
The UK is not being bullied at all. It would be fairer to say that the EU are being bullied because the UK decision to leave is forcing all EU citizens to stump up around £400 per person to pay for infrastructure and personnel to handle the increased customs and other aspects of separation.
To answer Iamdanish, I now think the UK should leave but with a properly negotiated set of agreements. I actually want Freedom of movement as well although acknowledge that some alterations ought to be made to it. I think the European Parliament are also thinking this as other member states are having a variety of problems particularly young moving to other countries for work, leaving a shortage in their home country. Had this been looked at 5 years ago then Brexit may not have even entered many peoples minds.
Regarding Russia, Mr Putin would be delighted if the EU were to break up. Although for different reasons, Mr Trump would be happy if the EU were to become weaker.
I originally voted remain but seeing the way that the UK government has conducted negotiations with the EU it is obvious that the UK is not a good 'fit' as it still has an entitled air about it which is unjustified as the UK is no better or worse than any other member.

The idea of a 'unified Europe' was suggested by Winston Churchill, although not enacted for a considerable time afterwards.

Iamdanish, here is a major problem as I see it. The Uk is a kingdom composed of Ireland, Northern Ireland, Wales, England, Scotland, and various territories scattered around the world.

Suffice it to say, these regions didn't always get along and the generally negative attitude of England towards this group as a whole didn't help.

They each have their own issues and problems and that's why I think they can't present some type of united front. The peace agreements between Northern Ireland and Ireland took a long time and delicate negotiations had to be conducted.

Jordan Peterson of Canada remarked that life is fragile and tends to be composed of very complex systems. That's why usually things have to get very bad before one makes some kind of radical change.

Watching the " 3Blokes in a Pub " segments drinking their beers or tea, it just seems so decent or civilized compared to what life might be like if the UK crashes out. I can't help but imagine there perhaps being nothing to drink but yellow water of questionable safety.

Ah, the Americans! They cheated by fighting back.
Not intending to insult you at all Xebob and yes your observations are correct. As with all colonial activities people usually died and resentment set in.
I have not researched it at all but a difference with French colonialism is that those that were colonised became French citizens. Thus you have Reunion island in the Indian ocean with the nearest big city being across the sea in Johannesburg (South Africa obviously) being French but with a different twist.
There are of course problems with this plan as well but it feels that it is more civilised. Feels and reality are probably different.

I think you are right about Russia and the USA. And that is why I think it is very important to have the EU to stand up to them both. Denmark can't do it on its own, but perhaps uk can, atleast imagine they can. Didn't realize you still had "world ruler" thoughts. I have always been taught it was the French who had this attitude. When in France I have never encountered it 😊.

France assimilated it's colonies, the good side of this was representation in the Chamber of Deputies the down side was French culture was more imposed.

You can see this reflected now in the way France wants immigrants to integrate more while Britain is more multicultural.

Many Brits still think Britannia rules the waves.

OP - did you mean 'corporatism' - a methodology for decision-making; otherwise I'm not sure what you mean by "corporation" - as I understand that as a business structure and involves registration as such?

Please don't apologize for not understanding another country's politics - who really understands their own, let alone anyone else's.

I am British but now live in France. Yes their way of thinking is a bit different as again are the Germans. Only had the privilege of meeting a couple of Danes.
Of course the Eastern Europeans are very worried about Russia and several were occupied by Russia in their past so have every reason to understand why they don't want it to happen again. Of course it is a generalisation but 'rural' French probably are quite 'racist' although I am not sure it shows in the same way as elsewhere as they are used to having French citizens from N Africa and elsewhere. There is of course a murky past, as with all colonising countries. Those Danes invading Britain

The Danes have had some historical and cultural influence on the Islands that now make up the UK. We loves our history and archaeology in these little, big islands.

Denmark is a very unique country.

WTF that has to with Brexit I'm sure will be explained to me.

Hatelsnotgood, cant find you reference, but knowing myself working together is probably it. It's a little hard with some words being the same but with different meanings, sorry I'm trying 😊. Much harder to discuss politics in another language than I expected 😅.

Leclerc, and now BBC is advertising "you have vikingblood in you veins". Incredible how a thousand years can soften the view on immigrants 😄.