Can anyone please explain the lack of political corporation re. Brexit

[Iamdanish]

Hi, not British. Can you please explain. From the outside it appears that when Britain voted leave, you (I) would expect all politicians to stand together in a united front against the EU in order to get the best deal possible.
What am I missing? From here it appears that making the deal wasn't the most tricky part but that domestically everybody is trying to destroy each other? I would expect my politicians to work together, and that the people would rebell against those who only saw it as a chance to excel in domestic politics.
Please set me right 😊 sorry for language, hope this makes sense.

There have been huge demonstrations, there was one just this past weekend in London. But politicians here don't care about demonstrations. The largest one in history was against Brexit last October, neck and neck with the one against the Iraq War in 2003 (1 million people!) and neither made the slightest bit of difference.

Our whole political system is based on no cooperation. Compromise and coalition are viewed as weak. Our voting system, our legal system, our parliament are all adversarial.

We have had the opportunity to change and we don't want it and now you reap what you sow.

poster Xiaoxiong, so you only choice is a new EU election? But is that going to happen? Why not try for the best solution, now that you have the Brexit.
Btw here we had a EU related general election in the 90ies. The outcome was negative towards the government and the EU, therefore a new general election was conducted very rapidly. There was a huge uproar with the worst street fights in memory 🙁.

And that is what I don't understand you are not objecting to?

700,000 of us protesting in London a few weeks ago was a huge demonstration. I am pretty sure that it would have been reported in the Danish press too.

But it maybe that significant numbers have been brow beaten by austerity.

If you are Danish then you must know how people buy into consensus there. People work together to support each other and that belief starts in schools and nurseries. Cooperation and the value of society is ingrained in the citizens.

In the U.K. people are individuals, to the detriment of society.

Why not try for the best solution, now that you have the Brexit.
They did. It failed.

It failed.

It's not failed yet, however much we hope Brexit does.

Peregrine, sorry the 700.000 didn't reach the main news sources here. But then I suspect our media is rather biased 🙄.

Moussemoose, I don't think we always buy into consensus, but probably on a wider scale than the UK. On the other hand it must be in the greater interest to do than in UK too.

poster 1tisILeClerc , thanks for the background. Makes it a little more comprehendable. Even to understand the pro-brexiters.

why dont the general public object to having non-compromizing politicians.

British politics are very adversarial; it's not a consensual style of govt. A minority party (LibDems) has been banished from power because they formed a coalition govt. The expectation of Friend or Foe No Inbetween is why Leave successfully argued that the EU govt was our enemy, rather than partners.

Why didn't your politicians find some common ground before negotiations.

There was no need or point. Leave campaigned on saying "This will be easiest deal in history" to negotiate. If that didn't turn out to be true, that's because "The EU is out to punish us" so it's the EU's fault if we didn't get a unicorn.

Why not try for the best solution, now that you have the Brexit.

Because the ppl who voted for Brexit were told that they would get no FoM, minimal contributions and not be members of single market as well as Frictionless movement of goods. This isn't impossible (say Brexiters) b/c EU core principles don't allow it; but rather "The EU is out to punish us, make us an example so nobody else will leave." However, if a "true believer" becomes PM, their force of leadership will make EU give UK this combo of features, or something even better.

I would expect huge demonstrations, strikes etc. General uproar!

That reads like you want to encourage violence. Which is what a Russian troll would say & want if they started this thread.

Ragged, that actually explains a lot. Could not sees it like that, but then I'm not British 😊.
Nor am I Russian 😂, was waiting for that comment. But I genuinely cannot understand why "the people" will accept being treated like that by their politicians. But with what you and other pps have explained, I have come to realize that it is not obvious what to do, we are so to speak miles apart in how we react because of history and "national soul". But this thread has been quite educational to me 😊.

The British love a good grumble, btw, simmering action-less resentment is a fine art in this country.

One of the 'fears' that some in the UK claim is that the EU will become too much of a federal state.
My counter to this is that there is no way that the French will see perfectly 'eye to eye' with Germans, Poles or many others. Likewise I would not expect Iamdanish to be perfectly in tune with many others. I am not suggesting animosity but different cultures do 'think' differently.
For me, this is the beauty and interest of being European.
One of the biggest tragedies of the UK leaving is the cooperation between companies and students is made more difficult as understanding other cultures and making new friends is so important.

{The British love a good grumble, btw, simmering action-less resentment is a fine art in this country.}
There is a reason the Australians refer to British as 'whinging poms'.

17 million voted to leave, 50 million didn't. That will always be a problem, add in the fact that the vast majority don't seem to understand the phrase "Parliament is Sovereign".

Ragged, 😂 must try and learn that.
Btw a lot of poster have referred to the "Russian connection". Up till now I have never heard of this. I do read papers.
I thought the outcome was partly due to a lot of non-brexiteers that did not vote, convinced it would be a no. Had a British exchange student in my son's dorm who was in tears by the Brexit vote, but not sure he bothered to vote himself.

poster 1tisILeClerc , actually I was not very pro-eu, until you voted Brexit. Now Im scared shitless 😁 sorry for language. I thought it was too much of a political establishment. What I would like it to be would be political autonomy and EU defence and trade. And you are right the free movement between eu-countries gives all a chance of a better understanding. The way you lovely people are education me here.

It's not failed yet, however much we hope Brexit does.
It's failed to get the mythical best Brexit that was going to be oh, so easy.

Reducating

Now can you enlighten me. If you are hoping the Brexit deal fails, then what is your scenario to proceed with?

Look at the threads in Brexit to see how some members of the public would rather sneer and sabotage the potential success of our own country just to get their own way. The left wing mentality in the UK is very odd, no spirit anymore

Talking rubbish again :)

Its not a left v right thing, JC is a brexitier and Ken Clarke isn't ! neither is John Major or Amber Rudd

Brexit is a diplomatic, cultural and economic disaster (as will be proven in the next few years) so why the fuck would anyone with a brain get behind it? oh and what exactly is there to get behind? there is no plan!
Just see what happened to sterling after the referendum and now when no-deal is on the cards?
unfortunately some people are too stupid to see what they are doing to this country.

I love FoM. It means that EU countries have to work together towards common living standards & equivalent working conditions. FoM stops EU members from undermining each other economically and politically. FoM means all countries are invested in helping the others. FoM promotes mutual understanding, tolerance & cooperation.

... oh, and I had hoped to retire to Spain :).

I had hoped to retire to the UK!

Stupidity is relative. To me, stupidity is signing up to an economic trading partnership with neighbouring countries you've just been at war with and a few decades down the line find you have got yourself a new parliament, court and some unelected drunk dude that has the final say on seemingly everything.

And worse, stupidity is thinking that this is somehow benefitting you!

Stupidity is thinking that wanting and voting for independence is stupid.

And finally, stupidity is just saying something is stupid when you don't have the faintest as idea what it is YOU were voting for.

So yeah, relative.

So sorry, perhaps you should both retire real quickly 😏.