Westminstenders: Dear Santa for Christmas I'd like...

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The ERG to be the grinch that stole the Tory Party Christmas who ultimately get what they deserve.

To remain in the EU

Donald Trump's impeachment

For politics to be boring again

A trex toy for my son

Heseltine saying May winning tonight is irrelevant - she has no Authority to deliver any Deal. Agrees with Major that need to Revoke to avoid 29 March Hard Brexit.

Both talking sense.

I wouldn't assume that the tories would lose the next election.
There are a lot of people who won't vote for JC and the hard left Brexit that he is thought to want.
Neither main parties are coming out of this current mess looking good at present and there is a while to go yet until the next election.

icantreach nothing has changed despite my Leave vote we have not left. Who did you vote for in 2017? If it wasn't JC then I can't take you seriously.

Sky News saying 177 to back her. All still seems tightly balanced if some of those secretly vote against. I’m expecting a narrow win and several more weeks of time wasting.

Actually I do think the Tories can won the next election.
For one, there has been no opposition whatsoever ever in the last 2.5 years. You coud forget that the Labour party actually existed.

And people tend to vote according to the way they’ve always voted. The stupid way the Tories have behaved will be blamed on the EU/it was an impossible task anyway/ better them than Corbyn etc...
very few people actually follow politics that carefully anyway so they will have missed most of the stupidity going on (see Raab and his comment about Dover-Calais).

I can tell you for example that my PIL will still vote for the conservatives whatever the end result is.

Where things çan change is if the Tory party explodes over Brexit. Bu then the Labour iarty might well do so too if they end up in a position where they actually have to take position. The division over Brexit are just as deep there than in the Tories....

Michael Crick @michaellcrick
Cabinet source says May told MPs that the only way through was to get the agreement of the DUP to any Brexit settlement and after meetings Arlene Foster this afternoon she was making progress

Icant the lack of interest for human rights isn’t a new thing tbh and has nothing to do with Brexit. (See the constant moaning about the ECHR, the acceptance of the mayhem UC is, the disability benefit before that etc etc)

Any Tories who are tempted to believe she will.go before the next election should consider her record of broken promises.

Although I do think she will probably go before the next election, if there is a vote of no confidence and an election before the end of March she will have to fight that one.

Don't forget we might get some abstaining...

Just to throw the numbers.

I agree - I think they’re likely to win the next election. Labour won’t get in again without a new, charismatic leader.
May was accusing Corbyn of causing chaos in PMQs today for heavens sake. He’s an easy target and the other parties would have to come from so far behind to even get to be the new opposition let alone win.

Not living in Islington I did not vote for JC - he wasn't on my ballot paper. I really don't care about whether or not a person who voted to remove my European citizenship and rights against my will 'takes me seriously' or not. It is not any of your business who I voted for. However - if you followed these threads you would know I have posted numerous times about my tory mp with a smaller majority than Amber Rudd, how much I hate him, how much I look forward to getting rid of him whenever the next opportunity arises and how I never pass up an opportunity to remind him just how small his majority is. The nearest contender to beating him was the labour candidate so I voted for him. However, with JC's current stance I cannot hand on heart say I would vote labour again in the event of another election.

How can you say nothing has changed in the face of a government in turmoil, a tanking pound, businesses fleeing the country and our international reputation in ruins?

“Making progress” has been trotted out several times only for the EU to say they’re not budging so I don’t believe she’s making progress with Arlene either.

May will stay. Again. And not the least because pushing her away is going to crate an uncertainty that a lot of MPs will want to avoid. Also because there is no one to replace her!
She is like a cat with 7 life. I’m wondering how many if them she has left?

As whether it is good or bad news, I have no idea anymore....

the lack of interest for human rights isn’t a new thing tbh and has nothing to do with Brexit.
Agree

And if you think the Tories can't win the next election you aren't paying attention.

They can. And may well do.

That's what we thought in the mid 90s to 2010

I didn’t. Cameron tried to make the party appeal to younger mainstream voters and achieved only an unprecedented disaster. Now the Tories are now quite literally dying. The Telegraph reader average age is 61. Nearly 50% of their readers are over 65 and only 15% are under 34.

This correlates with the Brexit demographic of 65+ age group being the one with the biggest Leave majority.

As whether it is good or bad news, I have no idea anymore....
Agree.

And people tend to vote according to the way they’ve always voted

but that cuts both ways, as they cancel each other out (also, why on earth would a politician do something to get a guaranteed vote ? There's much more profit in tempting the floating voter ....)

Paul Waugh @paulwaugh
Sounds like PM has confirmed to 1922 she's happy for @NigelDoddsDUP and @DUPleader have a veto over her Brexit deal. Cabinet minister says: "She made absolutely clear that to get a deal, to deliver a deal the only way of doing it is with the Democratic Unionist Party."

Gavin Williamson has been busy...

While I know other young fogies like Boris and Cameron, none of them are under 50.

Odd time for Theresa to discover "not lying" ....

Labour/Corbyn was supposedly so unpopular last time that the Tories were going to win 100 seats - which is why May went for the election IMO. Once the rules about purdah kicked in when the election had been called the media had to shut up with their constant anti Corbyn propaganda, and he did much much better than anyone expected. And of course, May made a mess of her campaign, giving him accidental support. So I honestly don't think we can predict how people will vote next time. And I am no Corbyn fan, but I got sick of hearing the anti-Corbyn stuff and I bet others were like me.

I've been perfectly aware of what you've written numerous times about your MP, Icant.

I suspect etvoila is right. The majority (me included) vote along party lines in the way they always have. I can't see me voting Tory even in the impossible event that they went full tilt Remain.

Brexit is (imo) the biggest political issue but it's certainly not the only one. Chronic underfunding of state education and the shit storm of universal credit are serious issues too.

Brexit is (imo) the biggest political issue but it's certainly not the only one. Chronic underfunding of state education and the shit storm of universal credit are serious issues too.

But once we've Brexited, and taken the inevitable decline in GDP, the issues you mention aren't going to get any better. Just much, much worse.