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Brexit

So what happens now

72 replies

StealthPolarBear · 10/12/2018 15:47

Vote delayed.
But no more information.
Speculation welcome as I have no clue.

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Confusedbeetle · 10/12/2018 16:01

'Fraid its a disaster for May. No credibility now. She needs to go and someone else take up the battle. She is apparently seeking assurance form the eu that the backstop cannot be permanent. Too little too late

bellinisurge · 10/12/2018 16:17

She's trying to delay Parliamentary activity so it comes down to her deal versus No Deal. And no sane MP is going to support No Deal. It's whether her strategy works that is key here.

WhatIfs · 10/12/2018 16:30

Lots of uncertainty, then all of a sudden we will get a soft Brexit voted through.

Dongdingdong · 10/12/2018 17:35

I think while all this faffing about continues nothing much will be achieved - and we will end up crashing out of the EU on 29th March with no deal.

Glitteryfrog · 10/12/2018 17:42

She's trying to delay Parliamentary activity so it comes down to her deal versus No Deal. And no sane MP is going to support No Deal. It's whether her strategy works that is key here.

Oh christ. I really hope that's not her strategy. She has upset a lot of MPs today.
They wouldn't do something stupid like vote against her (just because they can and to prove a point) and we crash out with no deal?
Would they? Fuuuuuuck.

smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 10/12/2018 17:43

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Pandasarecute · 10/12/2018 17:48

No idea but following with interest as I was going to start a similar thread! I don’t understand today’s developments at all

OhYouBadBadKitten · 10/12/2018 18:28

problem is, there's no opposition so fuck knows.

GirlsBlouse17 · 10/12/2018 20:46

I thought the commons voted thag there woud be no option for a no deal

Pepvixen · 10/12/2018 20:50

Unfortunately if the clock runs down GirlsBlouse then we leave automatically. But MPs don't want it, you're right. Hopefully they force a revocation of Article 50 or extension for a referendum.

MorningsEleven · 10/12/2018 22:22

She's surely got to go now and there'll be some constitutional crisis that will mean we have to revoke Article 50 . I dunno from there but my dog being in charge would be preferable to Brexit.

StealthPolarBear · 10/12/2018 22:53

Thanks everyone.

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Bouncebacker · 10/12/2018 22:57

I’d vote for your dog MorningsEleven - I think that’s our best hope now!

KennDodd · 10/12/2018 23:06

Civil war.

Not even joking, I will be amazed if we don't end up with people fighting In the streets because of this wretched Tory Brexit. If we don't get a crash out, hard Brexit, the far right will bring violence to the streets and if we do crash out and see all the consequences of that we will have violence on our streets.

I fucking hate David Cameron for this.

brizzledrizzle · 10/12/2018 23:11

I can't see any future for Theresa may, I wouldn't go anywhere near so far as to express sympathy but David Cameron well and truly fucked up things for whoever was leader after him. I'd love to be a fly on the wall at a meeting with TM and DC.

MorningsEleven · 11/12/2018 02:51

@Bouncebacker

He's delighted with how his electoral campaign is going and rhanks you for yoyr support. He's also Irish (genuinely, he has an Irish passport) so he's keen to keep borders open.

MorningsEleven · 11/12/2018 02:52

The typos would suggest that he wrote my last post himself.

xsahm · 11/12/2018 03:39

I think she's just as worried about staving off a general election. If Labour were to win, the Tories would be toast for at least the next three terms... a political lifetime for career MPs such as Boris which is why they have to be so careful.

I think she's playing brinkmanship with her own party. The closer we get to march 29 the less time we have for an election (at the moment we could just about pull one off), so she won't settle this until either she can get a vote on her deal, or lack of certainty and governance over GE period would seriously risk no deal (not least six weeks of pre election purdah). That looks to me like Feb 14 is the last date Labour could responsibly launch a challenge on the govt so she just has to get to there to back them into a corner. They'd also have to run with a clear manifesto of what they'd do on mArch 29.

Meanwhile the ERG also know the risks of an election and it would be political suicide for them not to vote for their party.

She's buying time and buying votes. The stakes are getting higher and higher, I think she will pull it off by boxing MPs in. The biggest question is whether they will allow that to happen now and if not, how?

Notice it really has nothing to do with the national interest or with Brexit.

Stripybeachbag · 11/12/2018 03:59

xsahm

It is so depressing that you are right. It's all a game of political chess with Tory careers at stake. The good of the country doesn't seem to come into it all.

WhiffofSnell · 11/12/2018 04:09

I'm so frustrated by how impotent Parliament is.

KennDodd · 11/12/2018 07:38

Well, we get what we vote for don't we. Leave voters were told what it would be like and according to them they all knew exactly what they voted for so this is it, we have Leave voters to thank for this mess.

bellinisurge · 11/12/2018 07:45

Leave voters are now pushing the blame onto politicians.
I won't bore you with analogies. Apparently Leavers get cwoss with analogies.
How about "It's shit"? Ok to describe it like that? Or is that too much of an analogy?

1tisILeClerc · 11/12/2018 08:02

Strictly speaking it is the fault of politicians. If Cameron hadn't been so stupid as to use EU membership as a 'tool' to settle a Tory argument none of this would have happened. The fact it has exposed so many problems within all of the governmental process, of all sides is just a bonus in a massively negative way. Now the whole world can see how badly the UK is run and what a large number of self serving shits there are in Westminster.

KennDodd · 11/12/2018 08:02

Apart from Putin. Leave voters will insist Putin had absolutely nothing to do with Brexit and didn't influence them in the slightest. As they keep telling us, they knew what they voted for.

1tisILeClerc · 11/12/2018 09:52

Would that be the Putin that is lining his army up on the Ukrainian border and is (probably) spreading (probable) rumours that the Ukrainians are planning chemical attacks?