So what happens now

[StealthPolarBear]

Vote delayed.
But no more information.
Speculation welcome as I have no clue.

Leave voters were told what it would be like and according to them they all knew exactly what they voted for so this is it, we have Leave voters to thank for this mess.

Yes. This. But what I am hearing from them (other than the really thick ones who don't even understand that we are in crisis) is "it's the EU's fault, it's the fault of Remainers, it's Labour's fault". They seem to be finding it difficult to swallow the medicine they insisted they needed.

We're being herded into a second referendum. I said this would happen right from the day after the previous referendum.

Just seen an FB share thing from a Leaver mum friend who has always portrayed herself as one of the intelligent and thoughtful Leave supporters. It just says Leave means Leave we should do it now.
For. Fucks. Sake.

She's going back to the EU to get the backstop issues removed. And then once we are out, we can negotiate a trade deal before the end of 2020.

She's not going to split up the UK. Good.
Nobody wants a hard border in NI; there is no need for a hard border in NI. Good.

It looks like the two sides can come to an agreement and we can all get on with getting on. Good.

And the magic solution to NI border is ........

{She's going back to the EU to get the backstop issues removed.}
That might be scribbled on her bit of paper but 27 other countries don't agree.
My money is on the EU27

Said this already. Sigh.

Spot checks can be done without the need for a hard border.

For £40 odd billion my money is on a handshake

She's trying to delay Parliamentary activity so it comes down to her deal versus No Deal. And no sane MP is going to support No Deal.

Exactly this. Brinkmanship AKA kicking cans down roads. It's been her only tactic thus far and I think it's the only one she's got.

And the magic solution to NI border is ........
A leprechaun barricade. It's probably currently rhe most realistic option.

Spot checks by whom? And where are these spot checkers physically housed?
Any kind of infrastructure on the border, even an ANPR camera will be vandalised within minutes.

I think the border should be staffed by volunteer leave voters. The ones who say it's not a problem and the solutions are simple.

By vandalised, I meant shot out.

Surely not, bellinisurge- why on earth would there ever be any sort of violence if there was any sort of border between NI and Ireland? /s

Spot checks by whom? And where are these spot checkers physically housed?

Brexit unicorns, of course. They won't need to be housed, they'll just teleport in a shower of glitter to wherever they're needed.

That would be a technological solution @TheElementsSong

She's going back to the EU to get the backstop issues removed.

Nobody wants a hard border in NI; there is no need for a hard border in NI. Good.

Explain how you think no borders will work in your utopia? You wanted out of the EU so you could control migrants and imports/ exports. You not only think it's fine to leave a back door wide open but you actually propose taking it off it's bloody hinges with your ridiculous spot-checks.

{Spot checks can be done without the need for a hard border.}
Nope. If it is going in or out of the Eurozone (or under WTO rulings) it is to be 100% checked.
Containers entering the Eurozone do have a 'trusted trader' scheme of sorts as it applies to containers that are at sea for weeks and are sealed during transit and are unloaded in a 'customs controlled' area.

The Dutch do it very well at Rotterdam using technological solutions.

It's not so much a utopia as simply a reasonable solution.

Thanks for telling me my reasons for voting leave tho

What are you suggesting as an alternative? Build a wall and have armed guards at the border ?

It doesn't have to be 100% checked at all. It can be done on a risk analysis system and trusted trader schemes and electronic scanning.

Or we just go no deal.
Why is it so hard too see this was always going to happen.
We should have said no deal. Planned for it and anything else was a bonus.

I watched a n Ireland Select Committee hearing on this as recommended by another poster on another thread. It all looked great for an actual technological solution until the expert claimed that a special "traders lane" on a road - the apparent minimum infrastructure- would not be infrastructure and so it was an infrastructure free solution- the Holy Grail for the border.
That would be infrastructure. And a target. Quite apart from being an option limited to the widest roads. Which would have to be built. Making even construction a target assuming you could find someone willing to do it and pay them enough. And protect them. Without making any of the workers or the security for them a target.
It was looking so hopeful....

The activities of the port of Rotterdam etc are entirely different to the NI/Ireland crossing. One has huge quantities of sealed containers under customs control the other is random trucks buzzing around with full public access.

It doesn't have to be 100% checked at all. It can be done on a risk analysis system and trusted trader schemes and electronic scanning.

How's that going to work for people crossing between ROI and UK territory? Do they get a barcode for a spot check too?