Westminstenders: A vote too far?

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The ECJ have ruled that the UK can unilaterally revoke A50.

There maybe lots of other news today, but that's the big one.

May has her big vote tomorrow. Or does she.

Will she survive until the end of the week?

They literally confirmed this morning this deal is the only deal available.

Peston thinks May is finished if her motion to cancel / postpone the vote is defeated.

However, is she finished even if it isn't because of the humiliating climbdown ?

Dead Woman walking soon ....

I don’t know what to think anymore. I just watch BBC parliament and munch popcorn.

Has she pulled the meaningful vote or has she postponed it?

Don’t think she can legally pull the vote so it must be postponement.

Can someone explain what Theresa may would gain from pulling the vote - I thought the vote HAD to happen to allow her deal through ?
Can she put her real through without the Vote ?

Can I put 50p on the odds that the 3:30 announcement will be late by at least 5 minutes?

I’ll put £1 on the speech being performed by Andy Serkis.

Brexshit just gets more and more astonishing...

what Theresa may would gain from pulling the vote

• more time to whip her own party
• more time to convince Corbyn to get his party to abstain (Corbyn wants to leave)
• another meeting with the EU(?!)

She can’t put her deal through without the vote.

Late to the party!

Place mat king.

Today is going to be busy again (and I have work to do!)

On Twitter, from Mirror political journo:

'Number 10 insiders tell me they think a second referendum is on the cards. "We’re not preparing for it and she doesn’t want it but it might be the only way. We think that’s where we’ll end up".'

According to one MEP the negotiator is back in town.

If A50 is revoked, then Brexit is dead and cannot be revived.
The UK needs to be at the heart of Europe, not always fighting against workers' rights etc
The ERG must be sent to the dustbin of history, with their "Bonfire of Red Tape"

Any future PM has cover if they revoke A50

• because it looks increasingly like the disaster capitalists were behind the whole Brexit idea, in particular the No Deal version

and the ERG were their stooges.

frankie's link on the last thread again confirmed the murky hedgefunders grubby handprints on Brexit & on Tory party donations

These supposedly patriotic Leavers, fighting against the establishment elitenand for the British wc ....

stand to win many hundreds of millions each if Brexit crashes the UK economy

because* they have literally bet against major British businesses, British government bonds and Sterling*

After this Brexshit is over, we need a public enquiry to find out which MPs stood to make large personal gains from a dog's Brexshit and if any received inducements from hedgefunders, including shares in companies, or shares in the bet

Do the people asking for "more time to negotiate" honestly believe that there's a better agreement waiting to uncovered? Despite multiple EU leaders saying that there isn't?

MissMalice he is restating how far TM is from the ERG and therefore how pointless her trying to renegotiate would be is my reading.

Peston suggesting TM could move to withdraw the vote but Parliament could reject.

Interesting bit of legalise on the ECJ ruling interaction with Gina Miller which I am not entirely convinced by on legals but agree with on practicals. ie Legislation to revoke Art 50 as Referendum would take too long (extension as opposed to withdrawal would need EU approval).

ukconstitutionallaw.org/2018/12/10/gavin-phillipson-and-alison-l-young-wightman-what-would-be-the-uks-constitutional-requirements-to-revoke-article-50/

I agree.

But I get equally annoyed about ERGers and other Brexiters repeating ad nauseum that "The People have Spoken", that "The People" are fed up of not being listened to, that "The People have suffered" (due to domestic austerity politics and sweet FA to do with the EU ) and that "The People will never forgive the Government if they are ignored".

"The People" are still fucking being ignored

The issues that they are concerned about: the concentration of spending and infrastructure on the South East; universal credit; austerity; the NHS; education are. Not. Going. To. Improve. If/When. We. Leave. The. EU.

In fact, they. Are. Going. To. Get. Worse.

If Corbyn gets in, Labour may want a full-blown enquiry on this, too:

Foreign Office investigates reports that state-funded body targeted Corbyn

They keep moaning their budget has been cut.
Well they should stop wasting it on smearing Opposition politicians:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/10/foreign-office-investigates-report-state-funded-body-targeted-corbyn

The Foreign Office minister, Alan Duncan, has ordered an investigation into reports the government provided funding to a Scottish-based company meant to counter online Russian propaganda, which also spread unfavourable views about Jeremy Corbyn.

The Institute for Statecraft, based in Fife, received hundreds of thousands of pounds in Foreign Office money.

If they somehow did something with being able to put a time limit on the backstop (even though that at best would just postpone that particular crisis) would that get the vote through?

David Allen Green
‏*@davidallengreen*

Today's Brexit summary:

UK parliament will not support the deal

EU27 says the deal will not be renegotiated

EU court says Brexit can be revoked

UK not prepared for No Deal

Brexit will happen by automatic operation of law on 29 March 2019, unless it is stopped or extended

Just checking in because I don't know what the fuck is happening..... not voting on deal tomo but MPs might insist on a vote to cancel or postpone the vote?
A judgement happening at 2pm about illegalities?
We can revoke?
On a personal side note the benefits people are doing my head in?
Everyone keep popcorn away from Susan's son?
Something happening at 3.30?
And a partridge in a pear tree?

Yes, any PV needs the EU to agree UNANIMOUSLY to an extension,
because organising a referendum takes about 24 weeks minimum, according to constituional experts.

The surest way to revoke - which can even be on 29 March - is for the PM (whoever (s)he then is) to do so
afaik, that doesn't even need HoC approval

French news saying that social media links in relation to the violent aspects of the GJ protests have links back to Russia.

twitter.com/borderirish/status/1072089177653694464?s=21

Loving the tweets on this

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I am sure smelling salts are banned as a hazardous substance, go steady there!