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Westminstenders: A vote too far?

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RedToothBrush · 10/12/2018 09:16

The ECJ have ruled that the UK can unilaterally revoke A50.

There maybe lots of other news today, but that's the big one.

May has her big vote tomorrow. Or does she.

Will she survive until the end of the week?

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Mrsr8 · 10/12/2018 11:41

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OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 10/12/2018 11:41

I've had a quick look back buteo. Faisal Islam covered it in his write up. Miller's case not so much void (very bad terminology on my part) but the assumptions it was made on are flawed. Not sure what that means going forward though.

RedToothBrush · 10/12/2018 11:44

Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
PM's secret calls to EU leaders over the weekend were quite extensive: Merkel on Saturday afternoon, Rutte in the evening, Tusk and Juncker on Sunday morning, Varadkar the afternoon. (1)

As of 11am, No10 has just insisted the vote is still going ahead and the Withdrawal Agreement cannot be reopened. Simon Coveney also confirms the latter. So was the PM rebuffed in whatever she asked of EU leaders? (2)

Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak
Official line at lobby that vote going ahead may well be rather quickly updated ... LOTS of conflicting signals at the moment but some smart money on vote being pulled

And I'm off again.

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/12/2018 11:46

Laura Kuenssberg
‏*@bbclaurak*
‘An emergency has been confirmed’ - Everyone being thrown out of Commons because of a fire alarm - that’s one way of avoiding the vote -

MissMalice · 10/12/2018 11:49

Saving my place for a dramatic few days.

howabout · 10/12/2018 11:50

Laura K now getting unconfirmed (as yet) briefings that Withdrawal Agreement vote is being pulled.

TokyoSushi · 10/12/2018 11:50

Laura K now saying 2 cabinet sources confirming that the vote has been pulled. Jeez!

So what happens now? Brussels seem likely to say we're not renegotiating, no confidence in TM? The government? She resigns (unlikely) ? Something else?

1tisILeClerc · 10/12/2018 11:53

SKY was reporting that the EU have said yet again this morning that the WA deal is all that is on the table and there will be no amendments.

Mistigri · 10/12/2018 11:55

Place marking, this place is nearly as quick as twitter with the news and you don't get the same thing retweeted 30 times.

I'm taking advantage of my FOM while I still have it - in Paris today (seeing student daughter) then in London for 3 days (or possibly longer if there are strikes in France on Friday). Might be my last UK visit before brexit ...

howabout · 10/12/2018 11:56

David Allen Green has lots of good stuff on this on his twitter, which I agree with - can't remember if I always do. He is suitably complimentary of Jo Maugham in almost exactly the same way I was earlier Grin

OhYouBadBadKitten · 10/12/2018 12:00

If they pull the vote then what?

Thanks Red - hope everyone has lots of spare time this week Confused

jasjas1973 · 10/12/2018 12:02

BBC saying vote is unofficial pulled!

so a policy is a policy until it isn't lol!

Hazardswan · 10/12/2018 12:04
Wine

Still celebrating revoke.

any excuse

And place mark 👑

Wine
TokyoSushi · 10/12/2018 12:05

Sky news at 12 saying No 10 Spokesperson just said in briefing vote is on and Brussels have re-confirmed the deal is closed and will not be re-opened.

God knows what's going on! Apparently, telecon with cabinet due to finish at 12:30, stand by!

TokyoSushi · 10/12/2018 12:11

Commons statement at 3:30pm, that's no good for the school run!

PineappleSunrise · 10/12/2018 12:14

My MP has sent me an essay entitled Tough Times Don't Last But Tough People Do.

Good God, this actually makes me feel stabby. My paternal grandparents survived the Great Depression. My mother's mother survived being widowed with four very young children. They "survived" and were relieved to have done so. They were NOT proudly superior to the people who didn't survive those hardships, and they were not grateful to those hardships because they were perfectly aware that they didn't need to prove their "toughness" to anyone - least of all a government minion whose screw-ups are BRINGING the hardship.

I cannot even begin to express just how much contempt I feel for the kind of person who could write that.

howabout · 10/12/2018 12:15

We'll be halfway through the homework by then Tokyo Smile

1tisILeClerc · 10/12/2018 12:16

{Commons statement at 3:30pm, that's no good for the school run!}
News headlines tonight, 'Children of MNers abandoned at school'.

lonelyplanetmum · 10/12/2018 12:19

3.30pm suits me for once. DD has an after school club today!

Do go over to the MNHQ thread at the top of the Brexit tab.Stella Creasy asking for a Citizen's panel? Why we should bail the Tories out I don't know though.

Alwaysbekind2014 · 10/12/2018 12:19

I am so confused, my head actually hurts 😂🤣so did the EU say we could pull out or not ?

MissMalice · 10/12/2018 12:19

Assume vote is pulled to give her more time to find support for her deal?
Can’t see EU re-opening negotiations now. They’ve said many times that they won’t.

What happens if no vote is held at all - could we end up crashing out altogether? Surely that would be impossible given need for meaningful vote?

Buteo · 10/12/2018 12:23

What a catastrofuck.

Mind you, to echo David Allen Green's tweet:

Huge respect for the skills of the MPs who got the meaningful vote amendment through.

A beautifully crafted legislative time bomb.

Quietrebel · 10/12/2018 12:24

breaking Seems the vote has been pulled.
Now what???

hanahsaunt · 10/12/2018 12:25

@PineappleSunrise - my MP is a contemptible sycophant (IMO). Thirsk & Malton in case you wondered.

prettybird · 10/12/2018 12:29

I see the pound is taking a tanking against the Euro Hmm

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