Westminstenders: A vote too far?

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The ECJ have ruled that the UK can unilaterally revoke A50.

There maybe lots of other news today, but that's the big one.

May has her big vote tomorrow. Or does she.

Will she survive until the end of the week?

@Innui Meany-ful, brilliant.

The ECJ decision might well make the EU relutant to agree to an extension and a PV
They want the Uk either in, or out,
not gameplaying with A50 to try to force a better deal (which they won't agree anyway)

The UK's problem has never been lack of time, but being ignorant, arrogant and totally unable to make up its mind on what it wants.
The UK negotiators were not given a clear mandate and goals, like Barnier's team was.

howabout The EU Commission had to take charge of the negotiations, because individual members are not allowed to negotiate trade deals, "mixed" deals or anything resembling Withdrawal Agreement.

Yes, it gave them extra "heft" - that's the main point in being part of a powerful trade bloc,
not having little countries like Ireland isolated and bullied by the much larger UK

Also, it would have been an impossible nightmare to ever get a WA, with 27 negotiating teams trying to stay coordinated
Much better to have one negotiating team, that gets its instructions agreed by all 27 and keeps checking back with them.

Barnier seems to have gone to the absolute limits of what he was allowed to give away, but at least all 27 agreed.
Opening up the WA will mean individual members wanting some of their concessions back.

If this announcement is about delaying the vote (rather than resigning), how long can she delay things for?

A day? A week? A month?

We live in interesting times (PMK)

{If they somehow did something with being able to put a time limit on the backstop (even though that at best would just postpone that particular crisis) would that get the vote through?}
The backstop is not important if the government are prepared to negotiate like grown ups with the EU.
The fact they oppose a backstop with such hostility strongly suggests they are not prepared to grow up and negotiate.
It is the continued bad faith by the UK that is the issue the EU is trying to avoid.

mother It seems it just reduces the available options to Remain or No Deal

If the PM and the HoC has any sense of responsibility, they won't rely on a PV to avoid No Deal, but will make the decision themselves.

Laura K now also saying they may not be allowed to pull the vote, what a bloody mess!

Do the people asking for "more time to negotiate" honestly believe that there's a better agreement waiting to uncovered?

Yes.

Despite multiple EU leaders saying that there isn't?

But they're foreigners, and not to be trusted.

Invoking again too soon would count as what the ECJ called "abuse" of the right to revoke,
using it as a negotiating ploy

• exactly why the EU Commision and the EU Council sided with the UK govt (!) and argued against unilateral right to revoke.

So, the UK would probably then be facing suspension of voting rights etc under Article 7

Further delays and messing about by the UK can only weaken the UK's position and stiffen the resolve of the EU.
I am struggling to come to terms with this being entirely self inflicted by the UK.

DG What Leavers and some Remainers too have in common is that everyone has to accommodate the UK,
because

we're special and .... German cars and .... they need us more than we need them .... and we can starve out Ireland because it worked before ...

Brexiters and damn near the entire HoC have learned FUCK-ALL over the last 2 years 🤦🏻‍♀️

Any country can leave the EU.
What it can't do is retain all the bits it likes, or even needs to keep its economy afloat

The UK has a unique problem in leaving, with the GFA - it signed away its right to complete control of one part of its territory.
NI is not Finchley

Mother By which time the referendum result, with all the younger voters, would be more like 1975,
which was 65% Remain 😂

Nicola Sturgeon
@NicolaSturgeon
So @jeremycorbyn - if Labour, as official opposition, lodges motion of no confidence in this incompetent government tomorrow, @theSNP will support & we can then work together to give people the chance to stop Brexit in another vote. This shambles can’t go on - so how about it?

Jack Maidment
‏*@jrmaidment*
Nicola Sturgeon challenges Jeremy Corbyn to call a vote of no confidence in the Government - and says the SNP will support it and then work with Labour to "stop Brexit".
Stakes rising rapidly.

Well, Corbyn stays on his allotment for everything else, but he normally wakes up if there is any chance of a Vote of NC,
his chance to be PM 🤔

he clearly doesn't give a shit one way or the other about Brexit, other than how it can clear his way to be PM.

I regard NS as the effective leader of the Opposition, because there is a Corbyn-shaped hole there

Laura Kuenssberg
‏*@bbclaurak*
Not impossible that Labour will work with ERG to vote against the govt pulling the vote - yes you read that right - govt might lose the vote they might need to win to pull the big vote

If only N.Sturgeon or I. Blackford were leading the Labour party.

But they're foreigners, and not to be trusted.

Good point. I keep forgetting that.

Though I swear that when the ERG get together, they start their discussions with a rousing rendition of the Flanders and Swan classic song with the chorus of "The English, the English, the English are best, I wouldn't give tuppence for all of the rest"

You want folks who are committed to the breakup of the UK running the Labour party?! Wither solidarity?