Westminstenders: A vote too far?

[RedToothBrush]

The ECJ have ruled that the UK can unilaterally revoke A50.

There maybe lots of other news today, but that's the big one.

May has her big vote tomorrow. Or does she.

Will she survive until the end of the week?

Sorry should add even though CU thinks Labour would lose vote of No Confidence he still thinks they should call it in order to bounce the Govt into PV. High stakes poker - relies on the Govt playing ball (no chance), relies on extending Art 50 to facilitate PV (no guarantee), coming up with clear options for PV (can't see what Deal option would be) winning PV for his preferred option of Remain in a straight Remain / Hard Brexit referendum (still looks 50/50)

Wow, people on this thread are getting rude!

Clarke had said he would reluctantly support the WA, to avoid No Deal

Now we seem to be down to a choice of Remain vs No Deal
Renegotiation - and it all seems to be about the backstop - won't happen, unless the HoC just needs a meaningless face-saving change of phrase.

If we do Brexit, the following GE would not be about remain vs leave anymore, not even rejoin vs not,
unless we are in a No Deal disaster with no end in sight.

{("Make them sit all Christmas!" I hear you say. Well, consider the many many people who also work in Parliament who would also not be able to enjoy their Christmas as planned and think whether this is reasonable and fair to them)}
No just lock the cabinet and maybe HoC in a shed over Christmas and let them fight it out. Open the door again on 7th and see who is left standing.

Thegirlinthefireplace
On the basis that many millions of peoples lives are in the process of being trashed by a bunch of self serving gits in 'government' I would say it is a reasonable situation.

We're pretty civilised to each other here, girl
Unless you mean we're rude to Mrs May - even there, i think we're very constrained, considering she is trashing the constitution

restrained

Parly @parlyapp
Might come in useful in the coming days: the Speaker can grant a UQ but the government decides who answers it. The Speaker can’t use the UQ mechanism to compel a specific minister to appear.

UQ = urgent question to the house

Labour should propose a NC vote.

it would keep the pressure on - and the govt are already in headless chicken mode, so a bit more pressure and they might explode into their disparate parts

Hypothetically if TMs deal was to get voted through the commons, would it be likely to get through the House of Lords too?

The government can even decide to let a Lords Minister answer it and the have a Minister in the Commons simply repeat the statement made "in the Other Place" with minimal follow up questions...

Barclay is answering questions atm. Mainly along the lines of ner ner ner ner you lost get over it

Northern Ireland border could be beaded curtain, says government

Well it's the best idea so far

www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/northern-ireland-border-could-be-beaded-curtain-says-government-20180228145116

I think TM should take up playing Poker; she's playing some blinders and has taken the 'Deal' to the nth. So, it's in the EU's court now. Will they propose some amendments or will they take the UK to the brink? And so on....

Plenty of time yet (more than 3 months), so let us see what happens next.

Barclays is literally like a smug child in a playground all he can say is you lost, you lost ner ner ner
Corbyn looks like a child who has just dropped his ice cream

Incredibly belated place mat king

What a clusterfuck!

That question from Seema was telling.
Barclay essentially says that even if parliament vote to revoke A50, the government’s policy is they won’t revoke it, and a taunt that neither could Labour revoke it as their MPs were elected on a manifesto of honouring the referendum.

Even later placemarking.

Ian Dunt: Another day of shame: May delays Brexit vote as no-deal suicide pact looms

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/12/10/another-day-of-shame-may-delays-brexit-vote-as-no-deal-suici

In any other circumstance, this would have been a moment of such total defeat and political shame that she'd have instantly stood down.
But we are not in any other circumstance.

We are all trapped in the world of Theresa May, where the only tactic is delay, the only strategy is the hope that something will turn up, and the only principle is that survival must be secured at all costs.
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The backstop, by definition, is neither time-limited nor unilterally revocable.
That is the purpose of an insurance policy.
It can only be ended by joint agreement of the EU and UK.
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There is nothing, there are no other ideas.
She has no further options.
Just delay, always delay, the desperate never-ending quest to survive another day.
She's like the body of a chicken running around after it has lost its head.
It doesn't even know why it runs anymore, but it keeps going, madly, without reason or motivation.
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We are now in an incredibly dangerous period, where no-deal becomes more likely by the day.
And May shows every sign of being prepared to drag us over the cliff edge.

@BethRigby
Sammy Wilson tells me DUP have been talking to Labour and they will support a censure motion in the PM/govt over the decision to pull the vote if one is laid. I wonder how many of her own backbenchers would too? Not a confidence vote for sure, but still a pretty stinging rebuke

I mean I don’t know if people like him but I do feel a tad sorry for the speaker guy 😂the poor man just sits there all day getting it from both sides haha he does more than any of them

This sounds slightly reassuring:

Speaker John Bercow has just clarified that the House of Commons Twitter feed got it wrong and the PM is correct in saying the January 21st deadline still applies.

twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1072227772272177152

JC up on urgent.
Will this be anything interesting?

But that’s what I don’t understand why pull the vote if it didn’t go through - it would be embarrassing for her but this was equally as embarrassing because she admitted it wouldn’t have got through.
If it didn’t go through, my understanding was she would have time to get it through Again...so being able to this “ negotiating “ she is meant to be doing anyway ?