Westminstenders: Crisis. What Crisis

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October is slowly rolling into November.

Your eyes, rightly, will be distracted by events the other side of the pond.

It won't be good and it won't be pretty and it will have an impact on what happens here in relation to Brexit in one way or another.

May seems to have headed off trouble makers for now. But that means nothing if she can't get a deal through parliament.

And if you think we are in anyway prepared for No Deal I'd like whatever drugs you are taking. That way lies only disorder and to put it bluntly, deaths.

We MUST find a deal, any deal to prevent that. Desperation is the final ingredients in this mess. Who will blink as they realise what's at stake?

The problem is though, is too few MPs have grasped what's at state, such is the quality of our elected representatives. And that's the truly terrifying bit.

If they can't work out the risk of no deal, they certainly not equipped to handle the fall out of no deal.

If you want to shit yourself anymore, I'd like to take this opportunity to remind you that the minister responsible for hauling all your food and medical supplies in the event if no deal, is Mr Christopher Grayling.

Start praying.

{I have no idea about the innards of envelope-opening machines, other than they have rollers that whizz the envelope through (what I imagine) are some spinning blades.}
Just combining this with the Monty Python 'abattoir' sketch.
As an observation, aren't prisons already full? Where would they put 700,000 protestors?
How many years would the judiciary take to try them all?
Where are the police who would 'round them up'?

Of course, some of us, watching the recent trickle of documentaries about the suffragettes already know how they managed to organise and (eventually) overcome ...

Also watch "Gandhi" ...

Agreed surabaya.
we need to capitalise on the momentum created by the march and not just let it dissipate. The protests need to be getting louder

And while I’m in letter-writing mode, I think I’ll complain to the BBC about John Humphrys calling the People’s Vote ludicrous.

Going back to the NFU stuff about rising meat prices post-Brexit, RNorth reckons in today's blog that the opposite is likely to happen at first as exports will cease at least for a time, and flood the domestic market.

Looking at the volumes produced he says beef will stay about the same but lamb prices will crash as the majority is currently exported to the EU.

This of course will devastate hill farmers whose incomes are already marginal. One estimate suggests their incomes will plunge by 85% with devastating consequences for the sector - and the environment.
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I know they take the piss sometimes at Westminster, but I fail to see how them sitting around listening to Supertramp albums is going to help

I believe the gov have pledged to match EU farm subsidised for a short time, after that, I don't know. Most farmers voted for Brexit apparently, the NFU did a consultation shortly after the vote asking farmers what they wanted from Brexit so they could then lobby the govenment. The answer was that farmers wanted everything to stay the same which rather begs the question why vote leave? This is what a farmer friend tells me anyway.

Place mat king.

I feel desperate.

Do you mean they are listening to 'Crime of the century'? Good album but I listen to it while doing something else not making it an activity in itself.

Farage has already called for civil disobedience if the hardest possible brexit isnt delivered. He has asked that petrol stations and motorways be blockaded

Kenn do you have a link for this?

I remember the vile little man-frog saying he would don khaki, grab a rifle and head for the frontline but can’t find calls to blockade etc. I’d love to be able to show a couple of people quite how despicable he is.

mighty I did wonder from that statement if the meat industry actually understood what is coming.

I fear a price roller-coaster, consumers hammered & a wrecked UK farming industry if no deal:

• For the imported cuts & types, serious price rises:
  high tariffs, shortages from logjammed ports and the extra costs of delayed lorries,

• The less popular cuts & types, produced in the UK, will crash due to the being exported and desperate farmers.
  So people can switch to e.g. mutton instead of lamb (The wealthy will continue to enjoy their usual favs)
  How happy / able will people be to change their tastes in meat and in veg & fruit too ?

• Veg: the types produced in the UK will drop in price , imported will be seriously expensive

• Some UK farmers will go bust

• If Fox rushed through the BOHIC (Bend Over Here It Comes) US trade deal, then consumers will have cheap US meat - chicken washed in chlorine, beef with homornes, HFCS processed junk etc
  Except the wealthy won't tough that stuff

• More UK farmers will go broke.
  Even if they lower to US standards, few of them could approach have the US economy of scale

• Finally, there will be a much clearer division than even today between what the wealthy and the rest of the population eat.

Some of the mc will return to the 1960s type % of what they spend on food as a % of income (much higher than now)
Others won't consider it important enough / will go organic & local vegetarian / can't afford to

some folk will change their diet; some won't want to / have fussy kids or kids with SN who can't cope

More of my stockpile has arrived. Running out of space and I have about 25 meals worth of food and enough water for two people for a day.

Had a minor freak out packing it away.

I can do it if I tell myself I'm just being cautious, I am by nature a practical and cautious person but then I go to what if we need need this stuff and then I freak the fuck out.

On the plus side I also have stocked ingredients for biscuits. So that'll be nice.

I will write an enveloped letter. I’m also very much liking DGR’s (??) suggestion of postcards with a local flavour to underline that anti-Brexit sentiment is not limited to London, etc. My small town marginally voted leave but I’m not certain it would now.

Hopefully, it’s just caution Hazard 🤞

DP and I started our stockpile yesterday. Just a few bits and pieces (pasta, soup, bread flour, yeast, chocolate, dried fruit, nuts, loo roll, toothpaste) at the moment, to be added to slowly over the next few weeks.

Hazard I hear you on the 'minor freak out' front. I kept saying, this is insane, I can't believe we're doing this.

If it turns out that it's not needed, most of it will be suitable to go to our local foodbank. Because one thing is for sure, they're not going away any time soon.

Yes I don’t think any of our stockpile will go to waste. I must admit I do tend to raid it now and again for a jar of olives and now enjoy having a well stocked larder. Even if brexit is a great success, we’ll keep stocks up long term. Very handy!

hazard I hear you. I’m fine as long as I can trick myself into thinking “good to have this extra stuff for random emergencies” but when I think of actually needing it I get so stressed I almost vomit.
Another sleepless night last night .

Sadly I started to lay in a small stock and then went and used it all up! I must try again more seriously. It's worth doing even if Brexit happens, a bad winter or a dose of flu can make it impossible to get to the shops.

the vile little man-frog

I believe the gov have pledged to match EU farm subsidised for a short time

Ah, the magic money tree ...

Also, have we not learned by now that government "pledges" on spending are meaningless. Where will they steal the money from to fund this "pledge". Or will they count money already spent on Brexit as part of the pledge ?

Or (most likely) will they simply forget about the "pledge" when no one can do anything about it.

As I commented on another thread, it takes special type of stupid to vote for Brexit to punish the Tories, and then trust the Tories to deliver that punishment.

Try to stay calm guys (I know I know easier said than done) the chances of only having our stocks to eat are very slim indeed. More likely we will have less choice and more expensive goods at the supermarket. Try to think of it as stocking up for bad weather/flu ridden household.

Come to the preppers topic if you have any specific queries, we are happy to help.

Someone recommended the Look What We Found pouches - they are on offer at Waitrose atm...

Sorry, this should probably be on the Preppers board

It’s ok unnecessary, spread the love

Just done that Independent "clan" survey: came out unsurprisingly as Global Green Community. I don't disagree with its description as long as I can amend the "Britishnness" in the statement GGC members have a strongly civic interpretation of Britishness to Scottishness.

Remembering of course that the SNP and Indy supporters emphasised throughout the Indyref campaign that their's was a civic nationalism rather than ethnic nationalism

I found it surprising looking at the profile for Glasgow South, as the "Orange Bookers" were by far the largest group and Global Green Community was behind Proud Patriotic State and Common sense Solidarity. Not sure how much of that is to do with who has completed the demographic section - and how much it was to do with whether the questionnaire couldn't cope with people answering from a Scottish (devolved) perspective - because the Libdems sure as hell don't have any traction in South Glasgow. not sure if there is a single LibDem councillor at all and there are only two LidDem list MSP for the Glasgow region and no constituency MSPs

Halloween Place Mat King

Thank god for you lot

I think what's freaking me out is its almost as if we're all moved abroad yet gone no where...I've never lived in a non EU country, I have never traveled outside the EU even! It feels as if the UK is becoming foreign and that's making me feel my European'ness. If that makes any sense

I just really like the union and having European standards. I feel naive because I don't know anything else.

Hell it ent over till it's over.