Westminstenders: Crisis. What Crisis

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October is slowly rolling into November.

Your eyes, rightly, will be distracted by events the other side of the pond.

It won't be good and it won't be pretty and it will have an impact on what happens here in relation to Brexit in one way or another.

May seems to have headed off trouble makers for now. But that means nothing if she can't get a deal through parliament.

And if you think we are in anyway prepared for No Deal I'd like whatever drugs you are taking. That way lies only disorder and to put it bluntly, deaths.

We MUST find a deal, any deal to prevent that. Desperation is the final ingredients in this mess. Who will blink as they realise what's at stake?

The problem is though, is too few MPs have grasped what's at state, such is the quality of our elected representatives. And that's the truly terrifying bit.

If they can't work out the risk of no deal, they certainly not equipped to handle the fall out of no deal.

If you want to shit yourself anymore, I'd like to take this opportunity to remind you that the minister responsible for hauling all your food and medical supplies in the event if no deal, is Mr Christopher Grayling.

Start praying.

mother Ramifications at not being in your EU country over Brexit, if there is no deal, is that you might have problems entering again - at least in time for work etc

e.g. possibly no flights,
maybe have to apply for a visa if you don't already have a document of longterm residence,
maybe need an international driving licence if you come with a car & UK licence etc

It would be sorted out eventually, but initially there might well be a queue of weeks, even months, as everyone tries at the same time to get all these documents

MPs are reporting constituents to the Home Office?

Also, anyone living on the EU mainland more longterm

it is possible if there is a massive Sterling crash and capital flow, that the govt would slam on capital controls,
so if you plan to stay longterm there, you might want to transfer your money over before Brexit

Also, you might have temporary problems accessing pensions etc if the financial institutions have overlooked something in their (comlpicated) prepping

born It was reported a few weeks ago that a substantial number of MPs - iirc all / almost all Tories - have reported people -
who have come to them with immigration difficulties - to the Home Office

Got to get rid of the furrin, you know

"Sir Mark will continue to serve as national security adviser as well as leading the civil service."

very handy 🤔

Following the other main credit ratings agency, Moody, now S&P:

A no-deal Brexit would be likely to tip Britain into a recession as long as the downturn that followed the global financial crisis,

and investors should no longer ignore this danger, credit ratings agency Standard & Poor’s said on Tuesday.

No surprise about the forecast, but maybe investors will react soon.
Bloody hell, many still haven't caught up, in real terms, after 2008

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-ratings/uk-likely-to-suffer-long-recession-after-no-deal-brexit-sp-idUKKCN1N4282

“Our base-case scenario is that the UK and the EU will agree and ratify a Brexit deal,” S&P Global Ratings credit analyst Paul Watters said.

“But we believe the risk of a no-deal has increased sufficiently to become a relevant rating consideration.”

S&P has an “AA” credit rating for Britain -- a full step below its top-notch “AAA” rating -- but it warned that
any failure by London and Brussels to reach a deal would be likely to force it to cut the grade further.

Home office officials are sitting in on local authority meetings too.
rightsinfo.org/immigration-officials-attend-local-authority-meetings-with-vulnerable-migrant-families/

BCF how secure are our banks?

Following the other main credit ratings agency, Moody, now S&P:

As I said upthread, personally I wouldn't give a hill of beans about what they said, having missed (and misled) the 2008 crash.

I am well aware that (some) other people do give a toss. Which doesn't mean so much that I think Moodys and S&P are any good, but I more that I think (some) other people are stupid. Fool me once, etc,

It wouldn't be an issue, but let's all remember that one of the stated aims of austerity was to allow the UK to maintain it's ratings. Which some will also remember it failed to do. So not only did we have austerity. We had it for nothing - it was all a waste of time.

how secure are our banks?

for whom ? I suspect they are very secure for the management.

Oh, you mean the investors ?

As secure as they ever were.

@Woman11017 you really have to see that tent city to believe it. I was looking after a property nearby when I first saw it. I think there are now 2: one in the underpass near to the MK Centre, not far from the council offices and one by Xscape, 400m or so away. It's disgusting that this is happening in the 6th richest economy in the world.

DG Almost everyone - except for a few derided at the time - miss Black Swan events, which 2008 was.

The ratings agencies matter, because they get it right more often than most others and the financial institutions pay a LOT of attention to them when it comes to investment, interest rates for loans to UKplc etc

One needs to decouple one's dislike of experts' preferred aims, with the quality of their usual output.

e.g. I dislike intensely the rightwing nationalist militarist aims that inspire R North
but I lay great worth on the information in most of his blogs
I just ignore the very occasional howlers where he has been proved wrong and the propoganda

woman Banks carry out a lot of checks before opening new accounts, especially for new customers
They also have continual automatic checks on account activity.

They are required by law - more added by the Tories since 2010 - to report any suspicions about immigrant status to the Home Office,
as well as reporting a lot of other possible trangressions to HMRC etc

So, UK banks would certainly turn in any suspicious furrin to the authorities.

Even Swiss banks

• no longer as secure as they were during the Nazi era, because US power over at least the last 15 years or so has bullied them into revealing far more information about clients than the Nazis managed

Thanks for the insider's view, eyeball
I hadn't realised the militaristic admiration maybe going on there

DoctorTwo it's extraordinary.
MK council just voted to support People's Vote, for what it's worth.....
He compares himself with Maurice Hankey
Sorry, who is the 'he'? Mark Sedwill?

Thanks BCF , I meant banks just losing our money. I'm a simple soul, sorry, I bet there's a sophisticated explanation of how that happens or doesn't.

I got myself an international drivers licence Mother. Available at particular post offices, google.

It's pretty funky and 1950s looking, I rather like it.

Yes woman.

TBH, reading the email made my hair stand on end.

Thank you eyeball

So, we're now playing 'police horses and miners'. The whole country is the miners now. Thought that would happen, way back in 1984.

Again, a weaponised and compromised senior civil service appointment is not an original idea.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_for_the_Restoration_of_the_Professional_Civil_Service …

Yes MrsR photo, driving licence and Passport I think?

About £6

On the topic of tents, not a migrant but a poor 'undeserving' young man who was told 'you get what you're given' by Cornwall council.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-46020530

Puts a different spin on camping.