Westminstenders: Crisis. What Crisis

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October is slowly rolling into November.

Your eyes, rightly, will be distracted by events the other side of the pond.

It won't be good and it won't be pretty and it will have an impact on what happens here in relation to Brexit in one way or another.

May seems to have headed off trouble makers for now. But that means nothing if she can't get a deal through parliament.

And if you think we are in anyway prepared for No Deal I'd like whatever drugs you are taking. That way lies only disorder and to put it bluntly, deaths.

We MUST find a deal, any deal to prevent that. Desperation is the final ingredients in this mess. Who will blink as they realise what's at stake?

The problem is though, is too few MPs have grasped what's at state, such is the quality of our elected representatives. And that's the truly terrifying bit.

If they can't work out the risk of no deal, they certainly not equipped to handle the fall out of no deal.

If you want to shit yourself anymore, I'd like to take this opportunity to remind you that the minister responsible for hauling all your food and medical supplies in the event if no deal, is Mr Christopher Grayling.

Start praying.

red i had this conversation with dh this morning, there is a right wing / racist / nationalist movement occurring in the US and EU

We are experiencing right-wing propaganda on a massive scale

It's a minority movement with cash and bots, focussed on a media illiterate anglophone demographic.

This is not happening in EU.

Look at elections in France, Netherlands, Germany and Sweden. (Green party on 20% in Germany now)

There is widespread resistance in US.

The majority of british people want to remain in the EU now.

Psy ops works by disarming through perceived hopelessness, because they never have the physical numbers of a demographic to win.

Perception is a subjective, and they're paying good money to manipulate it, amongst the media illiterate elderly. (amongst whom I count myself.)

Most people are not on twitter. Many people aren't on FB or SM.

The BBC is crap anyway, despite its extremist collusion.

Radio 2 even is haemhorraging listeners.

Many just use Netflix and internet for entertainment.

it so hard now to fight against Brexit too
No choice.
We are the majority now, anyway.

Not sure woman the whole point if propaganda is to silence the majority and make it look like xx idea is mainstream/the norm/what is going to happen even though that idea is nowhere near mainstream/the norm.

If the majority do not want Brexit or a hard Brexit than it’s time it makes itself heard (it hasn’t happened yet).
As long as the only thing we hear is Brexit propaganda, that the BBC is supporting that stance (even if it’s by not reporting Remainers events or ideas - such as the March in London) and most people still see he BBC as THE source of information, then the prevalent idea will always be Brexit, regardless of whether the ‘majority’ doesn’t want it or not.

I think the only way to seriously turn the public away from Brexit would be if a leading brexiteer politician switched sides to remain, I can't see that happening.

Borrowed from SKY news website.
{ Replying to @faisalislam

Chancellor says macroeconomic modelling of the Chequers Deal will be published after a Deal is done, and Chequers “minimises negative impacts” of Brexit, also says he can’t say if the impacts are negative or positive.}

For a start, Chequers 'deal' is not an ANYONE'S agenda, it has been dismissed by practically all and definitely by the EU, so why is he even wasting breath mentioning it?
Why is he saying the modelling will be done AFTER a deal. You don't need modelling then, you look at the books as to what happened.

*It's a minority movement with cash and bots, focussed on a media illiterate anglophone demographic.

This is not happening in EU.*

This isn't really true. If anything, far right support is greater in some European countries for mainly historical reasons. Italy has a neo-fascist deputy prime minister, France has local councils run by nazis, Poland is suffering an all-out assault on the rule of law, Austria nearly elected a fascist to the presidency.

Some of these countries have direct experience of fascism/totalitarianism within the living memory of memory of older people. All far right movements seek to appeal to nostalgia, but unlike in the UK where it's a nostalgia for an idea of empire that hasn't really existed for a century or more, in some of these countries it's for actual fascism/totalitarianism that is still a living memory for some. There are many people in France for example who are horrified by the idea that their country should apologise for war crimes in Algeria.

Language is what makes it harder for "global" alt-right to target Europe. The difference is language. Your cash goes further if you target anglophones. It's easy to find non-native speakers with decent English, decent enough to pose as a football fan on twitter anyway, and you can reach the best part of half a billion English speakers that way. You'd have to spend proper money on linguists in 20 odd different languages to have the same reach in Europe.

Faisal Islam is a good journalist but why is he still pretending that there will be a "deal"? There'll be a withdrawal and a political declaration... the deal will be done during deal transition.

Argh typos sorry. Hate typing on a phone.

Fair enough Misti and MyBrexit
It seems difficult or impossible now.....but....countries which know fascism directly are not rolling over immediately.......

@anneapplebaum
In Hungary, protests against the government's anti-Semitic, anti-Soros campaign which has forced the Central European University to leave the country

In Poland local elections, the extremists were trounced.

@anneapplebaum
also in Poland: the competent mayor of Bydgoszcz has been easily re-elected, after running an understated campaign under the slogan (loose translation) "Bruski - only the nitty-gritty." Only concrete achievements, in other words - no mythology or martyrology

normal politics continues, in other words, in many small towns and small cities as well as big cities

even as the ruling party pumps out conspiracy theories and attacks on democracy, rational people continue to vote for rational candidates

It's just that none of this is on the BBC.

If the majority do not want Brexit or a hard Brexit than it’s time it makes itself heard

The brilliant thing about this whole malarkey, is about 70% of the english population (I'd guess) have absolutely no idea what is really about to happen to them.

Strategically it's pretty impressive.

{The brilliant thing about this whole malarkey, is about 70% of the english population (I'd guess) have absolutely no idea what is really about to happen to them.}
I would certainly agree that only a few have 'joined the dots' and got a decent grasp of the scale.
Some might think' flight disruption' well we were going to Bognor anyway, no problem. Increase in inflation, well that's 'normal' and a whole raft of bits and pieces to which individually we can cope but added togeter it will be a massive problem.

As long as the only thing we hear is Brexit propaganda, that the BBC is supporting that stance (even if it’s by not reporting Remainers events or ideas - such as the March in London) and most people still see he BBC as THE source of information, then the prevalent idea will always be Brexit, regardless of whether the ‘majority’ doesn’t want it or not.

I cling on in hope that this isn't correct. I think this because I remember the hysterical anti-Corbyn propaganda prior to the 2017 GE with the press going on and on and digging out people who used to be Labour but were never going to vote for Corbyn, blah, blah, blah. Then May was supposed to get her huge majority. But it didn't work like that.

Think of last Saturday's march - there were only supposed to be 100,000 of us going, so how come another 600,000 turned up? It wasn't encouragement from the media.

His budget is total bloody fantasy until we know if the UK will sign the WA

The figures I've read are a $30 bn reduction in the amount of money he will have to spend
but that this could rise a LOT if major companies pull out of the UK

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0bq3tmr/dateline-london-27102018
The excellent Dateline London discussion programme. In this episode Michael Goldfarb describes how no one talks about politics in the USA, the only discourse being on the media both mainstream and social.

BBC, not available to people outside the UK, despite having paid rip off tax for a 'licence' to see mostly repeats for 40 years.

Hi LeClerc can you not get the BBC news channel abroad on some sort of freeview/cable platform?
(Dateline London is the only BBC TV programme I watch as it’s conveniently on when I go to the gym on Sunday morning and helps me get through my bike warm up. I like that it has a panel of foreign correspondents who give a different perspective on current affairs.)

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BBC, not available to people outside the UK, despite having paid rip off tax for a 'licence' to see mostly repeats for 40 years.

cough VPN cough

Thank you Born and DGR. I don't want TV as I would end up watching it and I have so many better things to do, working perhaps! 'Wasting' time on MN is my replacement and I have an intention to stop that on April 1st when something or nothing has happened to the UK.

Cough... satellite dish and Humax box.

Astra satellite dish & FreeSat receiver
All the usual freeview programs BBC1 - 4, ITV1-4, Shy News etc without any monthly subscription

SKY news !

Thanks for the suggestions. I look at SKY news and whatever news source that Orange use (French) combined with 'translate' so can understand what is being written!
In rural France news travels slowly. How is that battle that was going on in Hastings coming on, any sign of advancement?