Westminstenders: Crisis. What Crisis

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October is slowly rolling into November.

Your eyes, rightly, will be distracted by events the other side of the pond.

It won't be good and it won't be pretty and it will have an impact on what happens here in relation to Brexit in one way or another.

May seems to have headed off trouble makers for now. But that means nothing if she can't get a deal through parliament.

And if you think we are in anyway prepared for No Deal I'd like whatever drugs you are taking. That way lies only disorder and to put it bluntly, deaths.

We MUST find a deal, any deal to prevent that. Desperation is the final ingredients in this mess. Who will blink as they realise what's at stake?

The problem is though, is too few MPs have grasped what's at state, such is the quality of our elected representatives. And that's the truly terrifying bit.

If they can't work out the risk of no deal, they certainly not equipped to handle the fall out of no deal.

If you want to shit yourself anymore, I'd like to take this opportunity to remind you that the minister responsible for hauling all your food and medical supplies in the event if no deal, is Mr Christopher Grayling.

Start praying.

Is that the Aberdeen tourist board reporting there?
Mind you, last time I went near Dundee, part of the directions were to 'turn left at the combine harvester', which seemed a strange instruction to use what is normally a moving object as a reference! Life can be strange.

With regard to Brexiteers learning (I think quite a few leavers have), they won't. But they will die, eventually.

It's interesting (for those of us that won't be here ) to wonder what generations 2 centuries hence will think about 1850-2050. I'm pretty certain ...

1. they will be amazed that there was ever a concept of personal transport.
2. they will be amazed that people were stupid enough to "fight for their country", as private armies run by private companies (think East India ...) are the norm
3. the idea of education for all will be viewed as an anomaly
4. ditto healthcare
5. entire families will be required to discharge debts by providing labour "at will" to companies that buy up such debts in order to make profit from them
6. democracy will involve the people being told what is going to happen as it happens, and being told that it's what they wanted. No one will be able to check.

Meanwhile, here's "A History of Corporate Whinging" for y'all ...

Ds went off to Aberdeen Uni with a few hoodies and no jumpers, insisting he didn't need any

Ah well, instead of Bank of Mum & Dad buying them in advance, he's now going to have to buy them out of his own student loan money

I'd also suggested he took a scarf and gloves.....

Is that the Aberdeen tourist board reporting there?

DH called it our hardship posting

The local tourist board tried to sell Aberdeen as The Silver City (instead of The Granite City) but it didn’t really work.

prettybird they build them tough on the East Coast. A hoody and no coat will be fine

tisILeClerc I wasn’t thinking as far north as Aberdeen - East Lothian is much warmer (Scotland’s Riviera )

Ds went off to Aberdeen Uni with a few hoodies and no jumpers, insisting he didn't need any

My DS went to middle school in a town in the Pyrenees just downhill from a ski resort. I stopped buying him coats because he didn't wear them. He must have Scottish blood because he quite often went to school in just a T-shirt in mid winter  (actually he does have Scottish blood because my mother is, literally, a Scott).

That said, I suspect that Aberdeen is a whole new level of winter ;)

Indy petition looks as though it'll reach a million within the hour!

I do understand what an East Coast Uni can be like When the 1st years used to start complaining in November, when I was at St Andrews, we would just laugh and say, "wait until February"

I do remember the students who came from Newcastle (an exboyfriend being one) continuing to wander around in short sleeved T-shirts, even in the depths of winter . Maybe it's a "NE" (of their respective countries) thing

Small daughter (about 3 or 4) decided she wanted to be in the paddling pool in January or February (Northern UK). We suggested it might be cold but we were assured she was fine as she had her 'cossie' on.
I think she lasted a few minutes outside before deciding we were right!

I'm not a fan of Aberdeen (the city) at all, although some of the surrounding countryside is lovely. I'm thinking of a lovely tenement flat in the west end of Glasgow in which to see out our days...

Ok. Maybe asking people again really is a bad idea...
The below illustrates just how easily people can be manipulated: people still believe the bus!!!
I dare leavers who take offense at their 'side' being called gullible to contradict that claim now.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-brexit-lies-eu-pay-money-remain-poll-boris-johnson-a8603646.html

On the other hand, a week after the march, the Final Say petition has now reached over 1million signatures.

they build them tough on the East Coast.
Lol at that! DS spent his early childhood in Fife. I swear he's immune to the cold! He doesn't understand why people own umbrellas (I've given up)...

I would say that that Independent article was shocking BornQuiet , except it is not , based on the constant stream of posters on Brexit related threads continuing to claim things that have been repeatedly and comprehensively debunked even in the same thread - on many occasions by the UK Government itself

So I should amend my earlier post about needing to lance the boil to say that it might take at least 20 years, so that the really ignorant in the true sense of the word have quite literally died. And yes, I recognise that there are some young beLeavers - but they are by far the minority. And given that it is their futures that are going to be fucked up (see the study reported on in the Metro, amongst other places), some of them might actually change their opinions once reality hits (and others might leave FUKD as Daddy can pay for them to start up again elsewhere although the downside of that is that they would still be able to vote even though they have buggered off How much does it cost to get Maltese citizenship - £250k?).

Sorry - QuietRebel

OK, enough of the doom and gloom.
From most accounts the UK will be starting with a fairly blank sheet of paper in April next year.
Car manufacturing will have either gone, or be on the way out, as will a significant chunk of the finance industry, other EU owned companies and Airbus etc.
So what is the UK going to do to afford to buy in the food it needs?
Someone suggested making things from recycled plastic the other day, OK good idea but I think we need a little more.
Mr Gove was suggesting rummaging around on rubbish tips to look for useful bits. They already do that in India and other places but again it is not quite 'cutting it'. The Italians (I think) tried making cars out of steel from recycled fridges, (maybe urban myth) but it is the 'wrong sort of steel'.
Welsh dolls and similar 'craft' work is usually imported cheaply from China. So it needs to be resources the UK has, that are 'unique' and something you can't get from China for 50 pence already.
Mr Hammond is proposing to help the 'high streets' so that people can look at near empty shops and not buy things because money is tight, obviously a good plan there.
Anyone else got an idea? Answers on a postcard to No 10 (or 11), Downing street, London.

We can turn our gardens (front and back) into allotments. "Dig for Brexit" and all that patriotic effort. Reduce the need to import food and so clog up with ports, as well as helping the balance of payments deficit in goods

Personally, I'll be digging just for dh and me (and ds when he's home), so that we can continue to eat well when the shelves start emptying

Talking about "wrong kind of steel", "old" Glasgow used to be full of the most beautiful cast iron railings topping garden walls (and the top of the flat roof section of the bigger stone villas) and cast iron gates. Some bright spark decided that they were needed for the war effort (not sure if it was WW1 or WW2) and requisitioned them all (the only ones saved were the ones that were beside "drops"/basements flats, for safety). But cast iron was the "wrong kind of iron" and rumour has it that they were all dumped in a deep loch and never actually used.

We've seen a pre-war photo of our house with the pre-war cast iron railings and they were beautiful

The requisitioning of 'any old iron' was quite widespread I think and as you say, usually unusable so was wasted.

How much does it cost to get Maltese citizenship - £250k?

Closer to a million euro I'm afraid - and it takes about a year. I think it's 600 000 to be paid in cash and then you have to own a house in Malta worth at least 350 000 - and have to keep it for 5 years.

....still, it proves that EU citizenship can be bought in some places . I'm not criticising Malta - it will be the Leavers who make use of that opportunity that I will angry at. Just as Nigel Lawson is a bloody hypocrite for getting his Carte de Sejour for France

From most accounts the UK will be starting with a fairly blank sheet of paper in April next year

The last time that happened was 1066. Even the civil war changed the square root of fuck all in the long run. We had 11 years of "taking back control" and realised that Meet the new boss: same as the old boss was as true then as now.

The French know how to start with a blank sheet of paper.

How much does it cost to get Maltese citizenship - £250k ?

You could probably have 5 statements in the House of Lords for that.

Talking about "wrong kind of steel", "old" Glasgow used to be full of the most beautiful cast iron railings topping garden walls (and the top of the flat roof section of the bigger stone villas) and cast iron gates. Some bright spark decided that they were needed for the war effort (not sure if it was WW1 or WW2) and requisitioned them all (the only ones saved were the ones that were beside "drops"/basements flats, for safety). But cast iron was the "wrong kind of iron" and rumour has it that they were all dumped in a deep loch sadangry and never actually used.

Did you see QI recently ? They showed some railings made from WW2 stretchers ...

I notice that you're under careful watch if you talk about religion, but spouting outright lies seems to be OK. Not quite sure about that ...

That said, it seems the BBC is arousing interest ... I'm sure some folk here have got some comments, when OfCom ask ...

pressgazette.co.uk/ofcom-to-review-depth-of-analysis-and-impartiality-of-bbc-news-and-current-affairs-output/

Ofcom is set to review the BBC’s news and current affairs output to ensure it remains a relevant and “trusted destination for audiences” in today’s “complex and rapidly changing” news environment, it has said.

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(The below is shameless nicked from "In The News)

"The 2011 conviction of an Austrian woman over statements suggesting the Prophet Muhammad had paedophilic tendencies did not contravene the right to free speech, the European Court of Human Rights ruled today. [ see hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng-press#{%22itemid%22:[%22003-6234980-8105265%22]} ]

In E.S. v Austria, seven judges of the Strasbourg court ruled unanimously that Austrian courts had carefully balanced the right to freedom of expression with the right to have religious feelings protected when they fined a woman identified as Mrs S. for statements made in seminars entitled ‘Basic information on Islam’. The courts had the legitimate aim of preserving religious peace, the judgment states.

Mrs S was appealing a Vienna Court of Appeal decision to uphold a conviction for disparaging religious doctrine. The domestic courts had found that statements about the Prophet's marriage to a six-year-old girl implied that Muhammad had paedophilic tendencies. She was fined €480 and ordered to pay costs.

Mrs S argued that the domestic courts had failed to address the substance of the statements in the light of her article 10 right to freedom of expression.

In its judgment published today the court noted that people who choose to exercise the freedom to manifest their religion under article 9 of the convention must tolerate the denial by others of their religious beliefs. However it found that the Austrian courts had comprehensively explained why they considered that the statements had been capable of arousing 'justified indignation'. They had carefully balanced the applicant’s right to freedom of expression with the rights of others to have their religious feelings protected.

Mrs S had 'failed to neutrally inform her audience of the historical background, which consequently did not allow for a serious debate on the issue'.

It found that even in a lively discussion it was not compatible with article 10 'to pack incriminating statements into the wrapping of an otherwise acceptable expression of opinion', Overall, there had been no violation of article 10. "