Westminstenders: Crisis. What Crisis

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October is slowly rolling into November.

Your eyes, rightly, will be distracted by events the other side of the pond.

It won't be good and it won't be pretty and it will have an impact on what happens here in relation to Brexit in one way or another.

May seems to have headed off trouble makers for now. But that means nothing if she can't get a deal through parliament.

And if you think we are in anyway prepared for No Deal I'd like whatever drugs you are taking. That way lies only disorder and to put it bluntly, deaths.

We MUST find a deal, any deal to prevent that. Desperation is the final ingredients in this mess. Who will blink as they realise what's at stake?

The problem is though, is too few MPs have grasped what's at state, such is the quality of our elected representatives. And that's the truly terrifying bit.

If they can't work out the risk of no deal, they certainly not equipped to handle the fall out of no deal.

If you want to shit yourself anymore, I'd like to take this opportunity to remind you that the minister responsible for hauling all your food and medical supplies in the event if no deal, is Mr Christopher Grayling.

Start praying.

where a speaker confidently predicted food rationing

This is just awful. I’m mentally preparing myself for no deal but it’s not actually sinking in.

Are people telling their friends and families to prep or just doing it themselves?

Can we write to barnier asking to back moves to extend A50 for a ref?

Good idea. I like the idea of local postcards as well.

Anyway, I don't care what those prats say, it's all scripted anyway. What's it got to do with being one class or another, just because you can see Brexit for the shitfest it is?

I didn't see it - but my mum sent in a complaint to the BBC. Apparently they had already had a lot of complaints about it - but the BBC felt that it had been fair and balanced. I really think it;s time people stop watching the BBC. They'll only get the message that we don't like and trust them when their ratings are affected. A BBC that no one watches cannot justify its license fee.
I'm torn between being the person who complains about offence caused by something I didn't see - and watching it so I can complain, but adding to their ratings.

Are people telling their friends and families to prep or just doing it themselves?

My immediate family are prepping. My sister is having to hide her stockpile from her (leaver) boyfriend because he would laugh at her. My friends would laugh at me if I told them to prep - so fuck 'em. They won't fight to stop this, they won't believe it's happening. They are complicit and I won't be sharing with them.

Can we write to barnier asking to back moves to extend A50 for a ref?

I like this idea too - even if just to prove to him that we're not all headbanging fucknuts. We are going to need a lot of good will in the coming months and years, and the current shower will destroy any of that. We could really do with raising the profile of the 48% in Europe.

Big choc had a good point that the EU can't be seen to sway the UK. But I suppose gently writing to say if this happened a significant portion of the UK population would be grateful might be ok?

HIGNFU - I don't watch because everytime I have I cringe at some point. Pot and kettle spring to mind

1TisILeClerc - how does one sign up to receive the technical papers by email, please?

I am glad I stopped watching HIGNFY

I didn't tell family we are prepping. ILs are leavers, so they would be angry. My parents are Hungarian who lived through the war / revolution, so prepping is a way of life for them.

This New Statesman piece on Fox and Atlantic Bridge is a good read:

www.newstatesman.com/politics/brexit/2018/10/liam-fox-s-american-friends#amp

Liam Fox’s American friends
The trade secretary’s trans-Atlantic connections point to the Brexiteer dream of opening up the UK to US capitalism.

RNorth has been saying for about a year now that he's prepping

His blog today is mostly about prepping because he thinks no deal is so likely:

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=87036

So many savvy Leavers have been aware for a long time

- and of course the wealthy Brexiters moved their assets and boltholes abroad, while telling the rest of us it is all Project Fear

I want to respectfully disagree with opinions about a time zone difference between NI and Ireland. I think it would be a very significant reminder of the absurdity of a divided island to the majority of people living on the island and not at all like the situation where three time zones converge in the frozen tundra of Norway/Finland/Russia and there is virtually nobody around to be bothered by it, nor is it in any way like India's massive population living in a half hour zone.

It would underscore the artificial and unnecessary nature of the border when families have to double check their time when crossing to see relatives or go to church or any number of other small, personal business errands that people take for granted now. It would be one more element of a border, whether that border is virtual or whether watchtowers and concrete are reintroduced.

The Mirror today has a poll showing more people are very worried about no deal - current / future preppers ?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/voters-terrified-uneasy-britain-crashing-13485474

However, they are probably almost all Remainers, because

In a 2nd ref, Leave vs Remain, each side would get 40.4%

This is why I think the 700,000 are important to show the feeling against Brexit and to encourage moves to EEA / EFTA
but I have never thought a 2nd ref is a good ideaa unless opinions actually change very significantly - enough to withstand another campaign of lies, CA & bots

Hence my suggested minimum of 60% across all polls for a few weeks ... and at that stage the HoC / new govt would have the courage to act without a ref, anyway.

I suspect math that for all its huffing and puffing the UK would have to fall in with what the EU does.This is just one of the many overlooked areas which no one thought about but which can rise up and cause problems. I just found it funny that they (we?) see fit to object, when there are so many other details still to be worked out.

math I also think that with the new information about biorhythms and since most of the EU public - including me ! - want to keep summertime all year, then the EU Commission should proceed and let the EP vote

The hassle in Ireland might indeed highlight the absurdity of a small island being artificially divided
Your point about even families checking the times before meeting further illustrates this

math - do you remember whether Ireland joined the UK in their experiment of keeping summer time all year round back in 1968 -71?

I'm a prepper. I have been for some time and this , like bad snow or unemployment, is just another thing. I prep for likely things and this looks more likely to be a problem.
I don't tell neighbours or work colleagues. Let them work it out for themselves. My stores and preps are for my household and in laws who live nearby. My parents are dead. My siblings live too far away.
I'd share with a neighbour who can be useful to me. If a desperate relative rocks up, I'll help them if they help us.

I repeatedly urge people on here to think about building a buffer of food in. I direct them to the Prepper topic where there's lots of tips and advice. I've done an AMA on here too.

I also think the EP should vote on this. UK would probably fall in line.

Spain and Portugal have a common border but are in different time zones.

I've experienced for years the timing complications for organising meetings with the US
in the weeks during which our clocks have changed and theirs haven't

• we get used to a consistent 6 hour difference, so some people always get confused when it is suddenly 5 hours or whatever

I expect the UK would fall into line with German / French time, to protect business
"We need them more than they need us"

This illustrates how after Brexit the UK would in practice have to follow many EU regulations, but just without any vote

I have been encouraging my family to prep. One sibling is planning to, I don't think the others are taking it seriously. I was panicking earlier this week and have actually booked us a Eurotunnel crossing the week before 29th March, in a 'if we need to leave the country, we have something booked because I am not letting my children live in a failed state' kind of way. It was £60 and has given me a bit of peace of mind, at the same time that I think I am also being crazy for thinking it might be necessary. If things are looking a bit happier by then, we will turn into a hypermarche day trip. It would have to look really really bad for us to take that option, but I can't see anything on the horizon to rule that out yet.

I’d be happy to stick to GMT.

Low key prepper here, simply because i have a hungry teenager, an elderly mother and no dh any more. Tiny silver lining that he doesn't have to deal with brexit, though i don't think he would have let me stockpile i'm using his sacred shed

Although I wanted remain I am not sure now, on one level. If it wasn't for friends, family and you folks I would really like the UK to crash out very badly just to teach the (leavers) a lesson. The full works, no planes, ships, power cuts, everything, for about 4 weeks.

I don’t think any lessons would be learned by Leavers in this situation. Anti-EU sentiment will increase in direction proportion to the amount of chaos and suffering and support for the likes of Farage and the EDL will increase.

I can’t actually think of a scenario where Leavers would be taught a lesson. Leave with no deal and all the chaos and misery it brings = fault of the EU/Remoaners, Leave with a bad deal (because there is no good deal, the good deal was being in the EU) = fault of the EU/Remoaners. Jeez, even if by some miracle we ended up Remaining there are so many businesses that are likely to relocate anyway now and with a global recession coming life is going to be hard anyway and we’ll be worse off and the likes of Vile Little Man-Frog (have decided this is now his official name) will ensure their followers believe - you’ve got it all the fault of the EU/Remoaners because ’look at how bad it is! We should have left and got all the unicorns and Spitfires!’

Just made coffee, love my espresso stove pot. Don’t generally frequent coffee shops except on a day out - too expensive - but what will happen to coffee shop chains after Brexit? Are they stockpiling beans? The UK isn’t exactly self sufficient in coffee. What will everyone do when they can’t have their daily Starbucks fix? Serious question. This is big business!
And yes, I know coffee isn’t grown in the EU (well don’t think so, though tea is apparently grown in Cornwall) - but I bet many suppliers are in Italy/Germany/France/Netherlands.

Perhaps we need an impact paper...

Thinking back to when my late mother was alive. 50 years disabled and the last several years with vascular dementia,
she was totally dependent on a complex system of care to keep her from starving to death in her own waste

Frail elderly people are frighteningly more vulnerable than hungry teens, because to be blunt teens are more likely to survive
(and if it ever came to an Armageddon budget "triage" the frail elderly would be at serious risk, being both resource-intensive and deemed of no economic use)

Teen boys especially would if anything be an asset in getting to the front of any queues

it is frightening to think of what would happen to the frail elderly and seriously disabled who have no families to even look in on them.
So many E27 carers have already left the UK and even more would leave if the economy crashes, the pound sinks and / or hostility to them increases further.

Think of all those - of all ages - who are housebound, dependent on carers for shopping, food, toilet, washing
Even now, they can be left without care for most of a day when show hits.

Those in care homes are probably the safest, least likely to be overlooked at least